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Old 20-09-2009, 17:55   #166
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This philosophical discussion has been going on at least 5000 years we know of ...

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Sqrtof2 I think cruising will be safer than whereever you've been living.

Barnakiel uh huh

Jace, being a martial arts student, I feel sure you appreciate many of the old texts. In that regard, let me throw a few 4500 year-old verses to you for your enjoyment.

Quote:
There is no greater illusion than fear,
no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy.
Whoever can see through all fear
will always be safe.
and

Quote:
Whoever relies on the Tao in governing men
doesn't try to force issues
or defeat enemies by force of arms.
For every force there is a counterforce.
Violence, even well intentioned,
always rebounds upon oneself.
The Master does his job
and then stops.
He understands that the universe
is forever out of control,
and that trying to dominate events
goes against the current of the Tao.
Because he believes in himself,
he doesn't try to convince others.
Because he is content with himself,
he doesn't need others' approval.
Because he accepts himself,
the whole world accepts him.

and

Quote:
What does it mean that hope is as hollow as fear?
Hope and fear are both phantoms
that arise from thinking of the self.
When we don't see the self as self,
what do we have to fear?
See the world as your self.
Have faith in the way things are.
Love the world as your self;
then you can care for all things.
of course, you'll recognize these as verses of Lao tzu. Not to be pedantic, but just food for thought, that I return to again and again, being a slow learner. I started out as an athlete and military man with combat experience and I tell you know, I'm sorry for every single one I've killed. It is the wrong path, personally or politically, to anything resembling civilization, beauty or truth.

ps. Are there any women on this thread offering advice?
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Old 20-09-2009, 18:04   #167
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When I sailed in Sweden I did not even need the orange spray ;-))))

But then every place has its own dangers - they freeze in Sweden December to May - so the next winter I elected to spend in the West Indies!

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I intend to live my dream no matter what!
Smaller, maybe. Less determined, I think not!
Please don't listen to people like Jace.
You will have a wonderful cruise, just like we are doing.
The oceans and the countires you visit are far safer, and we feel far safer, than big innner city Sydney and anywhere USA.

Please take heed of this: The only people who spread fear are the ones who have not gone cruising!!!



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Please do listen to people like Jace. They are the other side of the coin.

But make your own decisions.

Making our own decisions and taking responsibility for them might be most difficult and the most rewarding part of it all.
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Please do listen to people like Jace. They are the other side of the coin.

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So you listen to BS? I don't think you do!
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To barnakiel -
Whether you agree with me or not, thanks for the sage advice. I think you're right. We should listen to all, then make up our minds. However, there are people on here who would like to stop some from speaking so that others will hear them only. I've ran into that on this thread, and it's a shame.

To speakeasy -
I do appreciate the old texts my friend, but only when they are worthy of appreciation. "Whoever relies on the Tao in governing men
doesn't try to force issues
or defeat enemies by force of arms."
Unfortunately, this particular part of the old texts doesn't fall into that category.
Some enemies need defeating by force of arms. Jews and Christians of 1938-45 Germany know this all too well.

"Love the world as your self" was one of the quotes you used. I prefer a much more true and reliable quote: "Love your neighbor as yourself." The man who said this gave His life so that those who cursed Him would be saved.

I think this is a more wise saying and will help keep one from the trappings of, "The god of this world."
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To everyone, and MarkJ:

Yes, I listen to BS (bullshit?). We all do. And sometimes we don't know it is (..), and we never know in advance - so the only choice is to listen. Then if something seems (..) to us, we can keep on listening and try not to absorb it (easy - all politicians do it, both ways!). Because sometimes the best piece of advise comes from the least expected source.

Well. And when I think of it, it becomes clear that I also talk (..). We all do. And at times we catch ourselves doing so, at other times others catch us.

The soup, the opera ... called 'life' ;-)

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I doubt there has been a useful response to the original question in a few days.

We don't do religion, politics, guns or allow spitball fights.

While a very interesting topic and very useful for a while - Thread closed.
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