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Old 16-05-2012, 09:07   #31
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genetics is a heavier risk factor than is diet.
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That's wrong. Read the book THE CHINA STUDY for clear evidence of that.
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believe what you will and quote what you will--i know there is a book written to support any idealogy. i only worked with cardiacs for half my nursing career as a specialty, and we found it to be truth, that genetix will give you more direction than will most dietary practices, unless you eat a pound of bacon or a quart of heavy cream or pound of butter in every sitting--overdoing is definitely gonna gety e--moderation is not gonna kill ye as fast as your genetics will.
if you are seeking immortality--it doesnt happenl.we all die of something--10 out of 10 will die in their lifetimes.
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believe what you will and quote what you will--i know there is a book written to support any idealogy. i only worked with cardiacs for half my nursing career as a specialty, and we found it to be truth, that genetix will give you more direction than will most dietary practices, unless you eat a pound of bacon or a quart of heavy cream or pound of butter in every sitting--overdoing is definitely gonna gety e--moderation is not gonna kill ye as fast as your genetics will.
if you are seeking immortality--it doesnt happenl.we all die of something--10 out of 10 will die in their lifetimes.
zeehag, you have no way of knowing that without controlled large scale clinical studies, and the book THE CHINA STUDY describes the findings of such a study.

It does NOT confirm what you so strongly believe. If you ignore it or choose not to even look at or consider that information, it's your own loss.
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believe what you will and quote what you will--i know there is a book written to support any idealogy. i only worked with cardiacs for half my nursing career as a specialty, and we found it to be truth, that genetix will give you more direction than will most dietary practices, .
...and you have written substantiated data to back your findings? I guess I was adopted.
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my experience in an investigational cardiology unit in cedars sinai medical center for many years was merely farting around, then i guess...with some of the best specialists in the world...so--dont diss because you read A book. isnt be all and end all to this specialty. read more books --dont bother to listen to folks with EXPERIENCE in the specialty.. makes ye smarter than me, is all. LOL
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Zee...no offense but I would hardly call you an expert on the matter. I have numbers from my blood work. A group of us are doing this health change with diet and we are all doing better each time.
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You can lead a horse to water...
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zeehag, you have no way of knowing that without controlled large scale clinical studies, and the book THE CHINA STUDY describes the findings of such a study.

It does NOT confirm what you so strongly believe. If you ignore it or choose not to even look at or consider that information, it's your own loss.
Forks over Knives has had so many holes blown in it I'm sorry I wasted my time watching it.

There are healthy diets with contain meat (like the China study ACTUALLY suggested...unlike in the movie..)...ya just gotta do better than potato chips and the tube every night.

The are NO definitive studies at all...just definitive PERSONAL diagnosis and PROBABLE causes. Every study that comes out has another that questions it. Eat in moderation...stay away from chemicals/pesticides (like everyone running to Kashi Cereal only to find out they were eating healthy but poisoning themselves)...and get excercise. The rest is genetics and good fortune.
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Are humans meant to be vegans or meat eaters or both?

Simple to tell. Look at our tooth structure - we are meant to be omnivores. Simple. Bears are omnivores; 80% of their diet is not meat.

The rest of our bodies are adapted well to dealing with an omnivorous diet.. but as Zee said, everything in moderation. Especially beans
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I'm always interested in how threads drift back and forth.
Eat clean... avoid GMO's, high fructose corn syrup, highly processed foods and eat in moderation. Simple.
Anyway what I really wanted to say was this... I read some (20+) years ago, in Cruising World I think, an article on canning preserving, etc for cruising. One suggestion that I thought was weird until I tried it...
You can preserve eggs by giving them a thin coat of vaseline. Tried it...works like a charm for up to 3-4 weeks.

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i8 love the 33-4 week eggie thing--i do nothing an dthey last 5 weeks
celestial--EVERY body is DIFFERENT..is why there areNO exact studies and NO definitive wtf to make each and evvery body same. we learned that in our studies. we had a ball. sorry ye dont believe except what ye read in trendy books.
with a changing in yourlife after 3 mi events starting age 35, first, you are most extremely fortunate--most DIE with mi at age 35.
when ye change your lifestyle, we found, the numbers DO change--for the better. is no9t a miracle. is hard work. even if you had remained an omnivore, your numbers woulod have changed or you would have died. no contest.
but, trendy doesnt change numbers. \veganns who ar elong term vegans are not healthy--skinny,yes, healthy , no. if they go to md, they will see thenumbers are not healthy --just because your cholesterol numbers are low doesnt mean it is good. there are many presumptions based on numerics in medicine, those presumptions ar emerely presumptions. they mean nothing.
celestial--i a m very happy you are very happy and alive--you, in and of yourself, are a miracle. have fun and enjoy life--is meant to be LIVED!!!
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I'll match my body fat / strength / mile time / blood work against anyone who's a pure vegetarian in my age group.
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That's wrong. Read the book THE CHINA STUDY for clear evidence of that.
That book is the crown jewel of pseudo science.
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i8 love the 33-4 week eggie thing--i do nothing an dthey last 5 weeks
celestial--EVERY body is DIFFERENT..is why there areNO exact studies and NO definitive wtf to make each and evvery body same. we learned that in our studies. we had a ball. sorry ye dont believe except what ye read in trendy books.
with a changing in yourlife after 3 mi events starting age 35, first, you are most extremely fortunate--most DIE with mi at age 35.
when ye change your lifestyle, we found, the numbers DO change--for the better. is no9t a miracle. is hard work. even if you had remained an omnivore, your numbers woulod have changed or you would have died. no contest.
but, trendy doesnt change numbers. \veganns who ar elong term vegans are not healthy--skinny,yes, healthy , no. if they go to md, they will see thenumbers are not healthy --just because your cholesterol numbers are low doesnt mean it is good. there are many presumptions based on numerics in medicine, those presumptions ar emerely presumptions. they mean nothing.
celestial--i a m very happy you are very happy and alive--you, in and of yourself, are a miracle. have fun and enjoy life--is meant to be LIVED!!!
Thanks zee,
Please do be careful with eggs. If mishandled/stored, they can become very dangerous...not every time but all it takes is once. Eggshells are quite porous and can harbor really nasty stuff. (the vaseline seals the shell and HELPS prevent bacteria from growing in the shell). Canning, pickling, drying, pretty much all food preservation techniques need to be correct and thorough. A bad job can really ruin your day and possibly kill you so be careful everyone. As for the original theme of thread, I can't imagine trying to hold to a vegan (or any other strict diet) whilst cruising outside of the u.s. Seems to me it's hard enough to do it here.
Health is about more than just being free of "disease". Wellness (in all aspects) and Vitality are the keys to being "healthy". This is all about one's lifestyle. What one eats, drinks, breathes is what one is, so to speak. Healthy living is simple in concept...eat, drink, breathe clean. As clean as you can. Fresh, natural, as unadulterated as you can find. You like beef? Fine. Have some...some, not a whole steer...clean grass fed organic real honest to god meat food. You don't like beef...don't eat it. Ditto for the rest of it. Eat a variety. Easy moderation does it
Relax, keep your stress levels low and enjoy life. Do what you can to make a nicer cleaner world for others.
This is health.

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i8 love the 33-4 week eggie thing--i do nothing an dthey last 5 weeks
celestial--EVERY body is DIFFERENT..is why there areNO exact studies and NO definitive wtf to make each and evvery body same. we learned that in our studies. we had a ball. sorry ye dont believe except what ye read in trendy books.


with a changing in yourlife after 3 mi events starting age 35, first, you are most extremely fortunate--most DIE with mi at age 35.




when ye change your lifestyle, we found, the numbers DO change--for the better. is no9t a miracle. is hard work. even if you had remained an omnivore, your numbers woulod have changed or you would have died. no contest.
but, trendy doesnt change numbers. \veganns who ar elong term vegans are not healthy--skinny,yes, healthy , no. if they go to md, they will see thenumbers are not healthy --just because your cholesterol numbers are low doesnt mean it is good. there are many presumptions based on numerics in medicine, those presumptions ar emerely presumptions. they mean nothing.
celestial--i a m very happy you are very happy and alive--you, in and of yourself, are a miracle. have fun and enjoy life--is meant to be LIVED!!!
I never said once that I read anything in a book. Only that my blood works shows improvement over the last 4 years. So where did that come from...More assumtions?
I had 2 MCIs, not 3 and I did not mention my age...ever.
My Cardiologist would disagree with you on the value of the numbers. But then again you're an RN...you know more.
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