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Old 04-08-2007, 13:44   #16
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Maybe it's fossile Oils spelled by a dislexic;-):-)
Nah actually it is a by product of alchohol fermentation. It is toxic and can make you feel bad, But it is not what causes a hangover.
I used to ferment wine as a hobbiest and was taught by one of the best wine makers here in Marlborough. I am very much an amature though.
The main cause of a hangover is the production of Ethanol. It is produced in two ways. A byproduct of fermentation and a byproduct of the breaking down of Acetaldehyde in the liver. Ethanol is the major contributing toxic chemical that creates what we call a hangover. Controll of this chemical is what sets aside the more expensive alchohols from cheap nasty ones. Mybe you have noticed that the cheap ones can often give you a worse hangover.
The key ingrediant to controlling Ethanol is the yeast. There are good yeast and bad yeasts. It is essential to stearilise the base product you are fermenting and kill all natural yeasts. Yeast is common of any growing thing by the way. Right through the process, keeping the base product stearile is essential. Yeast is also airborn. The fermentation is then carried out by the adding of the desired yeast. These special brewing yeasts are designed to produce as little ethanol as possible.
For hard liquors that go on to the distilling stage, careful controll and processes remove even more Ethanol. Ethanol is a form of Alchohol by the way and each Alchohol has a different boiling temp. So careful control of the distilling process can remove harmful chemicles and produce the ones that we want. This is time consuming and exacting. So hence the more expensive the Alchohol.
Fusile oil is usually removed by an aging process done in Oak barrels.

Now on a different note. I just don't like Rum. Paula from Seafox gave me a Rum&Coke once. It reminded me of weedspray. Yeah I know, that's blasmphamy to most of you. I'm just a girls blouse.
But I do like Liquers.(if I spelt that right)
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Old 04-08-2007, 14:27   #17
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Paula from Seafox fed me a bottle of rum last weekend. I was sitting in the cockpit drinking away and when I got up I could hardly stand. I blame her as I didn't see how much I was drinking. The coke hides the rum and makes it easier to drink too much.

Now it must have been good rum as I had absolutely no hangover.
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Fusel alcohol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is basicly the "Bad alcohol" the bit that gives the firy, burning sensation in some spirit's.

The good spirit's are smooth to drink.

It is easily removed when using a pot still as there is a large thermometer about 500mm tall and anything that comes out below 80 oC get's thrown out.

This is only about 50ml out of a 5 litre brew at 75% to 80%. Then this get's watered down to about 40% alcohol.

some info Home Distillation of Alcohol (Homemade Alcohol to Drink)

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My issue...

... with alcohol is that I metabolise it too slowly.

So the next day I am still a little drunk.

Kept my costs down in my drinking days though.
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I was sitting in the cockpit drinking away and when I got up I could hardly stand.
Hmmmm, she wasn't up to something now was she Darryl?? ;-)
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Fusel alcohol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is basicly the "Bad alcohol" the bit that gives the firy, burning sensation in some spirit's.

The good spirit's are smooth to drink.

It is easily removed when using a pot still as there is a large thermometer about 500mm tall and anything that comes out below 80 oC get's thrown out.

This is only about 50ml out of a 5 litre brew at 75% to 80%. Then this get's watered down to about 40% alcohol.

some info Home Distillation of Alcohol (Homemade Alcohol to Drink)

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Correction

Actualy the fusel bit comes out after the temp reaches 91/92 oC, it's the metho bit that is below 80 oC.

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Hmmmm, she wasn't up to something now was she Darryl??
Don't think so. She still needed me to get the boat back. I asked her to do it and she wouldn't.
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I do not understand the term "ladies blouse" please explain. I thought I was a bad man until I read that phrase.

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It's "girls blouse". It means "a total woose" or not a real blokey bloke. Or not a real man.
I'm a real man I am, when I go to the Beach, I kick sand in my one face.
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Thanks for the response. I'll file that for future reference.

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Fusel alcohol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is basicly the "Bad alcohol" the bit that gives the firy, burning sensation in some spirit's.

The good spirit's are smooth to drink.

It is easily removed when using a pot still as there is a large thermometer about 500mm tall and anything that comes out below 80 oC get's thrown out.

This is only about 50ml out of a 5 litre brew at 75% to 80%. Then this get's watered down to about 40% alcohol.

some info Home Distillation of Alcohol (Homemade Alcohol to Drink)

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Pot still?
Sounds like you have one of those very short refractory colum stills the home brew shops sell. Do you carbon filter?
I built a 4 foot refractory column which puts out 96% pure. No need for carbon. This is so smooth people don't believe the diluted product is 40% and consume far too much. I have had many people so pissed they can't walk but the next day no trace of a hangover or any other malaise. In fact all have commented they feel wonderfull.
It roughly follows ideas from homedistiller.org
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Pot still?
Sounds like you have one of those very short refractory colum stills the home brew shops sell. Do you carbon filter?
I built a 4 foot refractory column which puts out 96% pure. No need for carbon. This is so smooth people don't believe the diluted product is 40% and consume far too much. I have had many people so pissed they can't walk but the next day no trace of a hangover or any other malaise. In fact all have commented they feel wonderfull.
It roughly follows ideas from homedistiller.org
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Yep, took the short column off the 5 litre still and put it on a 20 litre tea urn.

Then run through a z filter with carbon.

Have been wanting to get the bigger filter and taller column, but figured this size would be easier to handle when living aboard.

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An onboard alcohol factory, now that is really something to build into your boat!!
Tell the insurance inspector it is a water purifier!!!
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