Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 21-03-2014, 17:06   #76
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,441
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

@jongleur:

I guess you haven't actually thought through what he wrote.

He pretty much spelled it out, I thought.
__________________

__________________
Andrew Troup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 02:49   #77
Certifiable Refitter/Senior Wannbe
 
Wotname's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
Boat: Van DeStat Super Dogger 31'
Posts: 7,331
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Quote:
Originally Posted by jongleur View Post
Wotname said:
"... I find this interestingly wrong...
...Carbohydrates are processed by the digestive
system and is [sic] converted into glucose..."


Why would you say something is wrong and then
a couple of sentences later, confirm that it is true?

Difficult to have a discussion with tactics like that.
Let spell it out again
The wrong bit was "sugar"
The right bit was "glucose"
sugar does not equal glucose
Put another way, all glucose is sugar but not all sugar is glucose.
Re-read the post and if it still unclear let me know and I will ask AT to explain


Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Troup View Post
@jongleur:

I guess you haven't actually thought through what he wrote.

He pretty much spelled it out, I thought.
__________________

__________________
All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangereous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T.E. Lawrence
Wotname is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 04:13   #78
Pusher of String
 
foolishsailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: On the hard; Trinidad
Boat: Trisbal 42, Aluminum Cutter Rigged Sloop
Posts: 2,314
Images: 19
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Jumping in late on this thread...

I would consider myself a foodie...not the snobbish type but the type that loves food.

I would cook almost every evening - and if not cooking then taking something out of the freezer that was cooked lreviously in large amounts and reheating it.

As a byproduct of cooking everythin we use little if any processed foods.

High fructose corn syrup is a far worse evil than Milk and is really avoidable if one cooks for oneself instead of letting the food industry cook for you.

We are also lucky to live in Ireland and the meat and dairy here is almost unparalled in its quality and unadulterated nature.

If one wishes to drink milk, even the worst kind full of additives amd from effectively sick cows, as is found in high production environments, then so be it.

There are soany things we can do to stay healthy - we dont have to be perfect, if you have a "vice" as long as you make an effort to be healthy you will be.

Moderation in all things also means moderation in our attempts to perfectly remove all the ills from our diet.
__________________
"So, rather than appear foolish afterward, I renounce seeming clever now."
William of Baskerville

"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm."
Sidonie Gabrielle Colette
foolishsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 05:09   #79
Registered User
 
Katiusha's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 800
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Going back to the original question: regular, "day", refrigerated, non-UHT milk tastes and smells vastly different in different countries. In some countries it has the taste of fresh milk from the cow, in others it distinctly smells of poo and urine, in yet others it tastes bland, like skim milk. UHT milk has a more uniform taste outside the US.

Also, when looking at milk in refrigerators, be sure to read the package well. Some countries store UHT milk in the fridge. In other countries, most notably island nations, milk in the fridge is powdered milk dissolved in water. Ingredients usually specify which country the milk powder comes from.

I'd suggest carrying a supply of HUT milk that you like (or will grow to like), and experimenting with new milk as you see fit. New experiences are a part of cruising
__________________
Katiusha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 05:42   #80
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Quote:
Originally Posted by foolishsailor View Post

Moderation in all things also means moderation in our attempts to perfectly remove all the ills from our diet.
Most current latest research is not actually showing that. "Public Health" is recommending it, but its not backed by science.
The big change in the last few years is the understanding that all sugars have increasingly been consumed and all sugars are creating the adverse outcomes of heart disease, arterial disease, diabetes, and even Alzheimer's.

So some might feel they can find a difference between table sugar and fruit sugar and corn sugar, but there is no real difference. They are all killing us.

In the new world of research carbohydrates, like eating pasta, are the danger things to avoid... Not "moderate" but to avoid until one is fit, skinny and has low blood pressure and triglycerides (and done without statins or artificially lowered cholesterol).

Yes, its new, yes its still controversial, but yes its the way we need to look at sugar.

This research about the detrimental role of carbohydrates in Alzheimer's gives a good read.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/...7e7e5e7653.pdf
This one is simpler to read High carbohydrate diets and Alzheimer's disease. [Med Hypotheses. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

Theres a new study showing whole milk is much better for the cardiovascular the low fat milk... If only i could find it!



Mark
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 06:17   #81
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Folks, most of you seem to be missing the fact that the OP grew up on a dairy farm and loves to drink whole milk. All she wanted to know was whether she could hope to find it available while cruising, not endless lectures on the evils of drinking it. I doubt that all the doom and gloom posts are going to change her mind.

Thanks, Mark, for at least a little encouragement, though the OP has probably stopped reading this thread long ago.

Quote:
Theres a new study showing whole milk is much better for the cardiovascular the low fat milk... If only i could find it!

Mark
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 06:45   #82
Pusher of String
 
foolishsailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: On the hard; Trinidad
Boat: Trisbal 42, Aluminum Cutter Rigged Sloop
Posts: 2,314
Images: 19
Regular Whole Milk Questions

Mark,

You seemed to have missed the moderation part. Thise studies reference "high" carbohydrate diets - that by definition is not moderation.

Additionaly we can only metabolise glucose from carbs, and require carbs to function.

Regardless of whether you get carbs from vegetables or pasta does not really matter as long as you regulate the amount of carbs you intake per day.

RecogniIng that issues with flour and wheat being a seperate matter of discussion against pasta however.
__________________
"So, rather than appear foolish afterward, I renounce seeming clever now."
William of Baskerville

"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm."
Sidonie Gabrielle Colette
foolishsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-03-2014, 06:50   #83
Pusher of String
 
foolishsailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: On the hard; Trinidad
Boat: Trisbal 42, Aluminum Cutter Rigged Sloop
Posts: 2,314
Images: 19
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hud3 View Post
Folks, most of you seem to be missing the fact that the OP grew up on a dairy farm and loves to drink whole milk. All she wanted to know was whether she could hope to find it available while cruising, not endless lectures on the evils of drinking it.

Is t that the way these threads tend to wander though?

We also have lovely milk here in Ireland, but I cant stand the "sweetness" that seems to pervade the UHT stuff I have found in places like Brazil, central America, South east Asia and my guess would be that the OP will look to try the variations of milk in these places but be bitterly dissappointed and will either decide to tolerate it or not.

I put UHT milk in my coffee but couldnt imagine drinking a glass of it.
__________________
"So, rather than appear foolish afterward, I renounce seeming clever now."
William of Baskerville

"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm."
Sidonie Gabrielle Colette
foolishsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-03-2014, 03:33   #84
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Xiamen, China
Posts: 3
Send a message via Skype™ to FreezeDriedFood
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Hard questions! One stupid solution is to buy some at each place you stop while sailing.
__________________
FreezeDriedFood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-03-2014, 03:45   #85
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Duluth, MN
Boat: Morgan 383
Posts: 129
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

IMO anyone or organization that is against vaccination has their head up their hawsepipe.
__________________
Dale Hedtke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-03-2014, 16:37   #86
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

I am curious, but what about fruit juice. Is it supposed to be concentrate while you are at sea????????
__________________
Roadcruiser1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-03-2014, 03:33   #87
Certifiable Refitter/Senior Wannbe
 
Wotname's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
Boat: Van DeStat Super Dogger 31'
Posts: 7,331
Re: Regular Whole Milk Questions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Hedtke View Post
IMO anyone or organization that is against vaccination has their head up their hawsepipe.
Relevance to this thread???
__________________

__________________
All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangereous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T.E. Lawrence
Wotname is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Long Term Refit Cradle, motor, hull paint Questions Patrol Construction, Maintenance & Refit 4 02-07-2012 06:01
A List of General Questions Notpopeye General Sailing Forum 8 12-03-2012 19:45
Milk - Anyone know a tasty brand of milk powder ? Lin Pardey Provisioning: Food & Drink 86 08-02-2012 05:51
Newbie Mac-OpenCPN - Questions Please jonnyquest OpenCPN 0 16-01-2012 14:19



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:24.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.