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Old 21-10-2015, 00:56   #16
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

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Offence taken on comment "Small nation syndrome".
You may be surprised to learn that conditions in Australia are different than in your nation.
We are a little more conscious about human safety and a little less concerned about cost.
And you may be surprised to learn that El Ping is a true blue Aussie, and a cruiser of vast experience... oh, and a retired master mariner as well.

Might consider retracting the offense taken bit...

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Old 21-10-2015, 01:08   #17
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Old 21-10-2015, 12:15   #18
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

We had the same issues refilling our propane tanks with FP butane as others have noted. I cobbled up a hose with fittings and gravity feed and it got us by but it was a lot of work and didn't really fill the tanks.

NZ was a pain in the arse with tanks though. I guess it is for safety but their standards, and lack of regard for any other developed countries standards, made it a real problem. We almost had to buy new tanks made there. I was NOT a happy camper. We did not go on to Oz so can't speak to that. But we did note a bit of a "friendly" rivalry between the Kiwis and the Aussies when it came to rules, regulations, and football.
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Old 21-10-2015, 12:50   #19
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

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NZ takes Australian standards and modifies them a bit more...smaller nation syndrome.
Ah, yes, sometimes I think it would be great if we could all agree on some kind of standards. ...Like a world without "x" kinds of standard pipe threads, many different sizes of nuts, bolts, and threads, etc.

Wow! talk about unrealistic.

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Sorry you took offence.

What it is is that people go buy higher quality stuff than is standard in NZ, and it is a bit aggravating, when such an item is totally certified in the country of purchase, that it has to be re-certified in NZ.

It feels just like "mordida" in the Latin American countries--an unnecessary hassle and expense, jumping through stupid hoops, but it is the way of the world and it must be suffered. It is entirely natural that people gripe about what feels unfair to them......just as you did with your post....

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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

When jumping through the hoops getting my 20 year old Australian made S/S tanks tested by the Dive Centre down at Takapuna (Auck) I was told that 50% ( mas o minos) of the quite expensive alloy made in NZ tanks fail the 10 year test.... they fail where the bronze valve meets the alloy tank due to thread 'wastage'.

Jim is a spoilsport...I was looking forward to some fun.... ... OK I know I am easily amused...
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

Coming from Canada, that in my opinion often also suffers from "small nation syndrome" when it comes to standards, I've come to believe a large part of the differences in safety codes in some places unfortunately has far less to do with personal safety than it does with protection of local manufacturing and trades.

I've worked through the arguments of our "our conditions here are unique" numerous times in my engineering career when moving and re-certifying equipment across different jurisdictions. Honestly we really found very few instances where that held true.

Just my opinion. Luckily Australia, NZ and most of the Pacific so far at least uses the same propane connection as North America, so that simplifies things a bit!
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I've just been through the hoops in NZ with my stainless tanks ( they didn't like the boots that were vulcanized on when they were made) but eventually they tested and passed them...

However under no circumstances will they test F/G ones... and no test = no fill.

Dunno about Oz.

And also...you can arrive with brand new alloy or whatever tanks from the US and they will still require them to be tested AFAIK... ( mine were 12 years since last test in NZ... test is good for 10 years.
Stainless Steel propane tanks? Where'd you get those?
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

I recently tried to get an older LPG tank tested and filled (California) and it needed a new valve which was no longer available. Having done the "hang it from a tree" trick in Mexico and FP, I asked the old guy that was trying to help me, if I could do that and he said that the new tanks have a different internal pickup that doesnt allow liquid to come out if the tank is not vertical, so I could not just fill it from a new tank. I dont think he was feeding me BS, so checking on this at your local gas dealer might be a good idea. Just a thought. ____Grant.
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Yes for propane--Taiohae Baie, Nuku Hiva--ask around town who to go see. He is located toward the island interior from the little store/town--I don't remember his name.

Kevin from Yacht Services here in Nuka Hiva fills propane/butane tanks. You can drop it off at his office on the quay and pick it up the next day.

Also the only place we have found the French fitting in the Marquesas was in the hardware store in Nuka Hiva. Cost around $10 if memory serves me correctly. Do note that sometimes islands run out of propane so best to plan to fill as soon as your tank runs out.

We have been gravity filling tanks since we arrived here in June and helping others do the same. The cost of a tank of butane is about $28 with the same as a deposit. It easily fills our 20lb tank full and plenty left over to top up our 10lb BBQ tank.

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Stainless Steel propane tanks? Where'd you get those?
From these people Marine LPG Cylinder | Specifically designed for marine useStainless Steel Tanks & Pressure Vessels

Bought two 21 years ago and a third 13 years ago... only thing I have had to do is to replace the valves at about 12 to 15 years....they posted them out to me .

Not cheap but as a lifetime investment they are good value.
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Re: Propane cylinders in French Polynesia

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From these people Marine LPG Cylinder | Specifically designed for marine useStainless Steel Tanks & Pressure Vessels

Bought two 21 years ago and a third 13 years ago... only thing I have had to do is to replace the valves at about 12 to 15 years....they posted them out to me .

Not cheap but as a lifetime investment they are good value.
Yep, same place I got mine (x3)
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