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Old 05-12-2007, 15:28   #31
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Where do you think the garbage from the city of New York goes? How many tons a day do you think they dump at sea? Do you think they and other coastal cities in many other countries as well as Uncle Sam are going to stop doing this anytime soon?

I also fail to see how WW2 cleaned up the ocean in any way. It added a heap to global warming--and fuel is still coming to the surface, as well as unexploded acriflavine etc--the stuff of WW2 vintage did not go away. It is still in there.

Back to ciguatera--in Oz reef waters one does take risks in eating Spanish Mackeral because they are known to carry ciguatera--and they are a pelagic. Some reef fish, notably Red Bass are almost always toxic. There are others considered to be poisonous too. Then we have plenty of fish like Fugu--the giant toadfish so prized by the Japanese--which has killed many who attempted to eat the flesh, but this is a different poison to ciguatera. Coral Trout can be ciguatera toxic in Oz but it is not usual.
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Old 05-12-2007, 17:20   #32
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Old 09-07-2011, 20:51   #33
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Pescatarians:

Do you guys find that fish is not as good as it used to be? Aside from mercury concerns, my wife and I have gotten sick off of fish several times in the past couple years. Add cigutera (from the Caribbean reef fish) to the equation and I'm pretty gun shy about fish (even though it's one of my favorite foods).

Fish sickness we have had in the past 2 years:

*Scrombroid (TWICE!)
*General stomach upset from scallops
*General stomach upset from Sole
*Constant worry that the methyl mercury levels are high

We both feel that fish have been ruined and the ocean is not in great shape (here on the East Coast of the USA). You are advised against eating so many species that bait fish (mackerel and the like) are all we have left.

Add red tide algae blooms to the picture for shellfish and you're really out of options.

What are some general feelings about all of this? Does anyone else notice a trend?

Seems like catching your own fish far FAR away from civilization is the only way to enjoy good fish anymore. Opinions?
Anything new on the quality of fish lately?
Better? Worse?

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Re: Pescatarians and Fish These Days

"Scromboid follows ingestion of fish that have been inadequately refrigerated allowing the build-up of high levels of histamine in their flesh; histamine accounts for the symptoms of scromboid."

Upset stomach from scallops and sole?
Maybe look for a new fishmonger, or better refrigeration, or more careful restaurants.

*Constant worry that the methyl mercury levels are high
Worry isn't really being sick from eating fish.

I have met a couple of folks who contracted ciguatera it is very serious be careful of fish prone to carry it. The locals in areas where it occurs can give advice on that matter.

I live in South Louisiana in spite of the drilling disaster and all the chemicals dumped into the Gulf off the coast for a year the fishing has been great this season. Good in quality and quantity, finfish, crab and shrimp included. Federal and state agencies are constantly monitoring the catches for contamianats and have given their OK so far.
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Re: Pescatarians and Fish These Days

gotta love a good scaremonger. is why i dont read newspapers...LOL....
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Re: Pescatarians and Fish These Days

lol i watch the face of the cat when i allow him to sniff my fish and foods--if he wrinkles his nose--it goes elsewhere--no one has to eat it-- cats dont like poison nor do they like dead stuff.
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lol i watch the face of the cat when i allow him to sniff my fish and foods--if he wrinkles his nose--it goes elsewhere--no one has to eat it-- cats dont like poison nor do they like dead stuff.
Remember though, your cat CANNOT detect ciguatera.

CIGUATERA POISONING

Be Aware of this Fish Poisoning
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:04   #39
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i have a book thaat says what fishies may have it and i try to avoid those....cruisers guide to fishies or some such book--is a good one.
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Re: cigi and cuddas---I have heard (through word of mouth...NOT recommending anyone try it) that Mexican fisherman will set barracuda out on dock when returning. Any fish the flies avoid, they throw back. Any fish the flies Ike, they clean and filet. Still doesn't sound so appetizing, huh? I had barracuda once...didn't get sick but now that I know about cigi, I wouldn't risk it again. Was violently ill from scromboid once, at least it's short. Can't imagine enduring longer.
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i havent eaten a large barracuda--just the smaller ones... tasty devils.....i noticed the mexicans use little ice many times when fishing--i think that is due to the price of it--is high.... many just catch the fish and place into boat and wait until they get to the dock , fillet it and take it home. scary.
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