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Old 18-11-2013, 11:21   #16
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injection against salmonella??? chickens here are free range babies..lol. lucky to see a veterinarian. some are lucky to have hen houses, but most run free. usa has the food and drug administration being bureaucratically able to dictate your health habits, as well as the health habits of your dinner. not the entire world has that dubious honor. remember these are same folks who declared aspirin as a safe drug . in the larger market stores, mega, comercial, soriana, bodega, walmart, costco, and some others gringos frequent, eggs are in fridge. the smaller tiendas, no.
Free range?
Run free?

In America?

Surely you jest. Factory farming produces most food in America.

And factory farming for eggs looks like this:
http://youtu.be/embnwQ7ohTc
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Re: Eggs - why N. America is wrong refrigerating them

Zee,
Free range chickens mostly lay fertilized eggs and if you keep them at the temps of the tropics, when you open the shell you'll find an unborn chick at some stage of development.
For you city folk a chickens egg is the byproduct of a menstruatal cycle.

So here we have a group of people stressing out about a safe life passage making at sea, but willing to risk Salmonella. Strange
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Old 18-11-2013, 12:21   #18
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There's a fundamental problem with this article. Eggs ARE refrigerated in Europe.
Not where I lived for 68 years they don't.

Same almost of the dumb practice of spraying water over veggies in the supermarkets which then means they rot faster after purchase. and why on earth water stuff that is in plastic wraps/ packaging like the romaine lettuce threepack I bought yesterday that dripped residual water all the way home? Brainless!
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Old 18-11-2013, 13:51   #19
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Not where I lived for 68 years they don't.

Same almost of the dumb practice of spraying water over veggies in the supermarkets which then means they rot faster after purchase. and why on earth water stuff that is in plastic wraps/ packaging like the romaine lettuce threepack I bought yesterday that dripped residual water all the way home? Brainless!
In Finland they refrigerate the eggs you buy in stores. They did fifteen years ago, they did last month, and all the many other times I've been there.

Vegetables wilt or otherwise dry out when kept in a warm, low-humidity environment. This is why a store's produce section is often kept cooler, and they use the spray / vapor equipment. I personally like crisp lettuce.
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Old 18-11-2013, 14:00   #20
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This and Mayo are two things I have learned on CF.
Not all foods need refrigeration. Do a little research and you will discover many foods can be stored without refrigeration(some depending on how long it takes to consume the entire container). The Boat Galley also talks about this.
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Re: Eggs - why N. America is wrong refrigerating them

I think I'll just continue to put the eggs in the boat frig.

If the day ever comes that there isn't enough room in the frig that is the day I should consider cutting down on my beer drinking to make more room. But .................... then again maybe that is the day I give up eggs!
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Old 18-11-2013, 15:29   #22
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Is that in North America, or else where in the world. If its North America, I'm not sure that solves the issue that the report talks about.
Water Glass makes the egg shell impervious to gas exchange preventing the entrance of bacteria. Your store bought eggs could have spent up to six months in storage.
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They don't refrigerate beer either, whats up with that?
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They don't refrigerate beer either, whats up with that?
Yeah every bar beer drinker knows that one can only have a pickled egg with a COLD beer !
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Old 18-11-2013, 16:07   #25
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Re: Eggs - why N. America is wrong refrigerating them

The eggs most people are buying in Mexico come from large agro-business just like in the US. Most of the ecoli outbreaks in the US are traced back to either US or Mexican farms.

The yards with chickens running around feed that family. The thousands of dozens moving through the tiendas and supermercados every week are not free range chickens.
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In the EU a store may chill eggs at below 5degrees C for upto 72 hours without being regarded as being " chilled"


"3. Class A eggs shall not be treated for preservation or chilled in premises or plants where the temperature is artificially maintained at less than 5 C. However, eggs which have been kept at a temperature below 5 C during transport for not more than 24 hours or on retail premises or in annexes thereto for not more than 72 hours shall not be considered as chilled.
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A somewhat bizarre interpretation of " chilled"

I buy mine from the lady across the road , who gets them from a hay barn, where the hens lay them. They don't see a box , never mind a refrigerator.

You can't beat a real egg. I have one every morning

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They don't refrigerate beer either, whats up with that?
Only the British don't cool beer.

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Only the British don't cool beer. Dave
That is because they have Lucas refrigerators
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In Finland they refrigerate the eggs you buy in stores. They did fifteen years ago, they did last month, and all the many other times I've been there.

Vegetables wilt or otherwise dry out when kept in a warm, low-humidity environment. This is why a store's produce section is often kept cooler, and they use the spray / vapor equipment. I personally like crisp lettuce.
Then the Finns have it all wrong too. IN the UK eggs are not chilled in the supermarket even if many people do refrigerate them after purchase, albeit unnecessarily. I'm a Brit but at 68 with my American wife now live in the USA and I assure you that as long as eggs were not refrigerated right from from the get go as they often are here then they will last better un-refrigerated, because refrigeration actually can cause mould to form on the inside of the shell, the beginning of the end... salmonella BTW if present comes from the chicken to the egg it is not created inside the egg but to prevent iSalmonella infecting you needs heat treatment ie from complete cooking not simple refrigeration. We always bought our eggs straight from the parson's nose so to speak, from free range 'Happy Hens' and stored them in the kitchen un refrigerated. Maybe the cold in Finland meant the eggs were effectively refrigerated inside the chicken, so needed to be kept refrigerated after bein laid?

Most long term cruisers of old know when provisioning for a cruise to buy eggs fresh , direct from the farm not a supermarket, and to store them un refrigerated, turning them occasionally to ensure the inside of the shell is evenly coated. you can also wipe Vaseline over the outside of the shells for added measure if needed.



This something that real cruisers should be pleased about since it means the refrigerator on board can be used to store other nice stuff not just be full of stacked boxes of eggs. Of course this is all irrelevant to the many who cruise only from marina to marina in areas well served by local supermarkets.

I like crisp lettuce etc too but hate it when it is rotten and storing wet lettuce or really any veggie just invites the rot to quickly form.
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That is because they have Lucas refrigerators
Nope, I don't think they have refrigerators , my nan still uses a larder.

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