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Old 29-07-2011, 13:40   #31
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

Provisions are not really a problem along the coast. There are markets everywhere...except for the stretch along the outside of the Baja. I wouldn't can anything. One hour of shopping and I'm good to go for 2 weeks. And I cook fancy.
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Old 29-07-2011, 14:58   #32
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Take the word of a doc zee . Prions are infectious protein that you get from meat and you have them forever .They very bad in a bad sort of way. Main reason I don't like meat. Fish is good though .
Thanks a lot Doc, I could have lived happily the rest of my life without knowing that.
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Old 29-07-2011, 15:21   #33
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

Well, I apologize for my english on the last post, but not for the message. Prions are for real I am sorry to say. Right now they are rare, but in the future who knows ?
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Old 29-07-2011, 15:47   #34
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

lets hope they stay rare. i havent encountered them nor their symptomatology in my emergency rooms i worked nor the icus ... hope they stay away.


now i gotta go look it up.
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Prions are for real I am sorry to say.
I can think of a number of prion infections which affect various animals, such as BSE (mad cow), scrapie in sheep, FSE in felines, chronic wasting disease in deer, elk, and moose, Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease and kuru in humans.
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Old 29-07-2011, 16:11   #36
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I can think of a number of prion infections which affect various animals, such as BSE (mad cow), scrapie in sheep, FSE in felines, chronic wasting disease in deer, elk, and moose, Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease and kuru in humans.
Kuru is probably good if it discourages canabals.
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Old 29-07-2011, 20:15   #37
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Kuru is probably good if it discourages canabals.
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I can think of a number of prion infections which affect various animals, such as BSE (mad cow), scrapie in sheep, FSE in felines, chronic wasting disease in deer, elk, and moose, Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease and kuru in humans.
These are the reasons countries have for limiting any type of meat from crossing their borders. The rules are strict and the penalties can be very high, especially for commercial entities.
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

Not to belittle the terrifying aspects of contracting Creuzfeldt-Jacob or Kuru diseases but I believe there are a few more hazards sailing offshore than catching mad cow.
Suffice to say if the government of any country you are entering has a prohibition against any material, equipment or item, either delete it from your inventory or don't leave home... pretty simple. Capt Phil
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Not to belittle the terrifying aspects of contracting Creuzfeldt-Jacob or Kuru diseases but I believe there are a few more hazards sailing offshore than catching mad cow.
Suffice to say if the government of any country you are entering has a prohibition against any material, equipment or item, either delete it from your inventory or don't leave home... pretty simple. Capt Phil
There is some concern for a person coming down with the diseases. The major concern is it gets into the herds or flocks and then it costs millions of dollars to eradicate it.
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Re the low risk of ship food contaminating livestock.
There is good evidence for thinking that this is exactly how the Foot and Mouth epidemic in the UK started (not so long ago) and look at the costs of that! Was traced back to food waste from a ship which was collected and fed out in a commercial piggery.

I also agree with the risk of prion diseases. Living in Canada you should be aware of this. It will be a few decades before the impact of BSE can be fully calculated.

As a vet i may be more aware of the issues than some but just reading the news will keep you in touch.

This is the reason that Australia and most countries are so twitchy about your bottled meats or salami sausage.
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

Also a vet, I agree completely with Stillbuilding.
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

With so many healthy alternatives, why run the risk of cantaminated consumables. This goes beyond meat... pesticides and chemicals in fresh fruit and veggies are another source of long and short term illness. Buying locally from established outlets is far safer than trying to can your own or picking food stuffs up from a questionable source, particularly if you are stocking for an offshore passage where an ER may be days away. Capt Phil
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Re: Cruising Canada to Mexico - Will US Allow Us to Keep Canned Beef Aboard ?

Does anyone else find it odd that garbage is lumped in with milk, milk products and meat? Having worked in the food processing industry, canned goods are cooked in what is called a Retort at high temp.and pressure, the chances of any pathogens surviving the cooking process are virtually nill. I think that many of these regulations smack of " politics".
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I can think of a number of prion infections which affect various animals, such as BSE (mad cow), scrapie in sheep, FSE in felines, chronic wasting disease in deer, elk, and moose, Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease and kuru in humans.
Don't forget Cycad disease.
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