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Old 21-07-2014, 14:54   #181
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SC, could you please post a pic of your Cuban "yo-yo?"

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Hi Phil. See post 166. Short for the Apocalypse. I agree. Best country in the world to disappear to. If I end up missing, look for me there. I will be hiding in Astrid's back yard.
She's a little north of where you want to be, I think, Newt... somewhere around the Charlottes or what ever the politically stupido name they've come up with for them now. There is a great little hidy hole at the top end of VI called Bull Harbor where I used to hide out and wait for the sea to settle down to make my run across to the Charlottes... you could catch crab 12" across with a fishnet off the front of the skiff and there were oysters aplenty on the rocks and so many clams for stew you couldn't get your shovel into the sand at the heaed of the inlet... those were the (mostly) good ole' days. Phil
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Old 21-07-2014, 15:34   #183
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SC, could you please post a pic of your Cuban "yo-yo?"

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Old 21-07-2014, 15:39   #184
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Exactly. mine was $6 from amazon.
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Is there a quick and easy test to identify fish with Ciguatera? ( assuming you'er not in blue water)
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Old 21-07-2014, 19:00   #186
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Too bad it would be easier to live, food and water-wise, where it's cold. I hate cold.
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Old 21-07-2014, 20:28   #187
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No. There is a good deal of folklore about it, bit the fact is - it's a crap shoot. Don't know if they are still available, but a few years ago there were test kits on the market. They proved to be of dubious value.
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Old 22-07-2014, 01:15   #188
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No. There is a good deal of folklore about it, bit the fact is - it's a crap shoot. Don't know if they are still available, but a few years ago there were test kits on the market. They proved to be of dubious value.
Yup, got ciguetera once after using the kit The kit was provided by a caring son-in-law. The problem isn't really false positives, it's false negatives. Anyhow, to my knowledge, no longer available.

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So reef fish only. How far from a reef is safe? Dolphinfish OK? What would be a list of safe fish in the tropics?
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Ha, She wants me to try it first.
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So reef fish only. How far from a reef is safe? Dolphinfish OK? What would be a list of safe fish in the tropics?
I think the real key is to eat only small reef fish, pretty much all I ever catch anyway. As discussed elsewhere, many of us have stopped spearing fish with scuba -- it's an unfair fight -- so breath-holding with a pole spear will yield smaller stuff for average folk. I've eaten many small barracuda speared in shallow water.
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No personal experience, but from what I've gleaned over the years, open ocean fish like dolphin are no problem; it's reef related. I assume that near shore fish are also safe in the colder parts of the world where ther are no reefs. Around the reefs, the disease accumulates as it moves up the food chain, so the larger predatory fish are more likely to be dangerous to eat. The current advice is to eat small reef fish lower on the food chain, as bluecrab said.
All of the above notwithstanding, I asked a local fisherman cutting up a large barracuda at a fish store in nassau how he could tell if it had ciguaterra. His reply was "after you eat it".

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So reef fish only. How far from a reef is safe? Dolphinfish OK? What would be a list of safe fish in the tropics?
Ciguatera isn't in all parts of the tropics. The Southern Eastern Caribe and the Western Caribe are pretty much free of it. So barracuda, large grouper and the like are eaten without worry.

There have been a few isolated incidents in these ciguatera-free areas, but they almost all have occurred after a hurricane tore up the reefs and unbalanced the ecosystem.

Pelagic fish like mahi (dolphin), wahoo, tuna, etc are free from Ciguatera everywhere. You must be careful, though, about considering all fish caught in deep open water as pelagic fish. I have caught barracuda, mackeral and jacks 50 miles offshore in thousands of feet of water. These species move between reef and offshore, so can't be considered ciguatera-free in areas where it occurs.

And reef fish, even small ones, won't necessarily be free of it in hot spots. People in certain parts of the Bahamas every year get ciguatera from small groupers and snappers they catch. Parrotfish eat so much of the algae containing it that they should always be avoided in those areas. I suppose you could eat anglefish, blue tangs, etc - but, eew.

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Ya, my kids would never let me eat Dory....
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