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Old 27-06-2012, 14:45   #31
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Re: BUI at anchor... experiences?

Think I will have a beer and go racing....it's time for the Wednesday beer can races.
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Old 27-06-2012, 14:50   #32
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seems for this thread people aren't willing to just apply "common sense"
Common sense is not always so common.

The truth is that even good (overworked / underpaid) LEOs are not always as aware of the law as they ought to be. The CFR says that being anchored is to no longer be 'engaged in navigation'.... but municipalities interpret that differently.

If one can (and does) get a DUI for being in a car while drinking, it stands to reason that there is a risk to an anchored boater.

In the OP I asked if anyone had knowledge of this happening...

Thanks for all who have replied.
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Old 27-06-2012, 14:54   #33
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seems for this thread people aren't willing to just apply "common sense"
Common sense makes sense for common people. For outcast cruisers like me, it often doesn't make sense at all

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Old 27-06-2012, 15:06   #34
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Re: BUI at anchor... experiences?

It is wrong trying to apply car related laws to being on ones boat, there are specific laws for cars and alcohol.

And laws do in fact follow common sense to a great amount!

PS - I didn't see any posts of people saying they got a ticket while anchored/moored for drinking on their boats. I for one plan to continue to drink on my boat while at anchor/moored! But if I later decide to get in my dinghy and go for a ride it may be that the alcohol has ruined my common sense and I could well get a ticket for operating it with intoxicated.
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Old 27-06-2012, 16:22   #35
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The Puritans and the Taliban - two sides of the same coin.

And both not so tolerant of the Alcohol stuff - or much else .
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Old 27-06-2012, 17:01   #36
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Interesting, Rebel posts the exact same CFRs as I did. Does posting them twice give them credibility, or do I come across as some sort of shady character?

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I suspect you were typing simultaneously.
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Old 27-06-2012, 17:14   #37
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Re: BUI at anchor... experiences?

If having an unsealed bottle in a car is chargeable, how about the same thing on a moving boat.
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Old 27-06-2012, 18:23   #38
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I have no issues with drinking while at anchor although I do not drink. I have serious problems with illegal drug usage anywhere. I have seen too much pain caused by them, I find that drugs ruin families. Two weeks ago a close friend buried his 34 years old grandson who overdosed. No need for me to continue banging the drum, people will use them as they please but that does not make it right. The harm continues.

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Old 27-06-2012, 18:40   #39
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Well, I learned one really important thing here-after I run aground, I can get blitzed since I am no longer "underway!"
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Oh my... fact is that alcohol kills more and also ruins much much more lifes than any other drug. A smoke is a harmless puppie compared to alcohol.

p.s. I use neither.
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Old 27-06-2012, 19:32   #41
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Interesting, Rebel posts the exact same CFRs as I did. Does posting them twice give them credibility, or do I come across as some sort of shady character?

John
I know you personally John and I know exactly how shady you are.
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Old 27-06-2012, 20:01   #42
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Oh my... fact is that alcohol kills more and also ruins much much more lifes than any other drug. A smoke is a harmless puppie compared to alcohol.

p.s. I use neither.
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My wife and daughter both work in medical fields. Daughter is a doctor in the ER. Both will confirm that the number of patients they see with alcohol problems, wrecked cars and wrecked lives is many times more than all other drugs combined.

Yes alcohol is a drug and withdrawal from serious alcohol addiction is more serious and dangerous than withdrawal from heroin addition. Like most things, moderation is the key no matter what your drug of choice.

I don't use them either but don't care what anyone else wants to do, as long as they don't do it on my boat where it's against the law.
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I believe that in 80% of drug related deaths, the drug involved is alcohol.

I then did a search, not liking to shoot my mouth off with unfounded nonsense. In the UK in 1996, here's what I found:

Drug related deaths: 2,422 (including legal drugs, such as aspirin)
(Marijuana related deaths: 17, that was a surprise)
Alcohol related deaths: 6,627
Smoking related deaths: 86,500

Transform : Fact Research Guide : Drug related deaths

So, the moral of the story? Well, for starters, it seems like alcohol and tobacco are really quite dangerous. We should ban them.
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And another one, for those of you who might feel that my previous post contained too many words, or cumbersome links you can't be bothered following:

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This is meant to be constructive, let's see how that turns out .........

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Two weeks ago a close friend buried his 34 years old grandson who overdosed.
So for him (and his family) the current "War on Drugs" style approach didn't work out well. Either in the outcome or as a preventative measure to start down that road in the first place (I doubt very much that he was not unaware that recreational drug use had a potential downside).

If someone is likely to be taking recreational drugs then being illegal or not is irrelevant. It's legal to sniff petrol (Gasoline) and easy and cheap to get hold off - but most folks don't do that even though it (apparently!) does have an effect (to get self off noggin ). The fact it is legal to sniff petrol does not make petrol attractive. Same with recreational drugs - the reasons why "you" are not on crack or heroin is the same reasons that most people aren't - and it ain't got anything to do with them being illegal......mostly around knowing they ain't good for you / having better things to do with your life and money.

If Heroin was at least medicalised (i.e. on prescription - cheap or free!) then quality and strength would be consistent so would be a lot less overdoses - even without medical supervision (shooting galleries?) for use. And a lot less health related problems (in the West not many get sick and sometimes die from illegally made alcohol - elsewhere they do becuase the booze gets made badly and from all manner of additives being used, it's the same for drugs - quality control ain't a priority!).

Personally I would prefer someone coming off Crack etc onto Heroin and then sitting somewhere happily(?!) doing SFA at low cost to me..........rather than having the risk of them robbing me and also paying taxes to keep chasing, processing and locking folks up. Just seems a bizarre approach .....that is doomed to (continued) failure.

Being dumber than rocks is a lifestyle choice for each to make . So, as long as no one is forced to take drugs (physically) then my attitude is f#ck 'em , just don't expect me to pay for the mess.
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