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I've seen worse 7 17.50%
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What do you mean? It was a RACE! 10 25.00%
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Old 21-04-2012, 05:32   #31
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1) they all do that.
2) it shows that she is fast - the hull flexes sort of like the wing on a Jumbo jet.
3) it's a simple fix - your surveyor will confirm that (and if not, I know a couple who will).
4) because the Vendor has only just replaced them - removed because he liked the open plan look / helped the boat sail fast (less weight)....and obviously he has just not got around to the final adjustment - I'll make a note, so the Vendor can make sure it is sorted once the deal has been done.
5) no idea - look at this shiney thing over here, it has lots of buttons.

"see she's all tensioned up like a rubber band just ready to go - get some heal on her and she'll straighten right up: that's the sign of a true thoroughbred for you! er, what's that? Oh, those keel-bolts were not needed as the remaining ones are such high quality...erm... More bubbly?"
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Old 21-04-2012, 22:49   #32
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Re: Worst.Seamanship.Ever

Reading this thread makes me think of the Farallons race that is talked about elsewhere on CF. Same race committee mentality, probably same skipper mentality, just a tragic end to the second one.____Grant.
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Old 22-04-2012, 00:48   #33
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I think its no so much about seaman ship as poor race planning. Why would organisers put a race pack with deep keels through a dangerous passage. I have already read that the racers had a choice. But racers turns psycho (myself included) once the gun starts and will follow the lead boat through a sea battle if they had to.
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Old 22-04-2012, 02:22   #34
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Old 22-04-2012, 04:15   #35
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I think its no so much about seaman ship as poor race planning. Why would organisers put a race pack with deep keels through a dangerous passage. I have already read that the racers had a choice. But racers turns psycho (myself included) once the gun starts and will follow the lead boat through a sea battle if they had to.
I think that's a path that there's no end to. On other discussions about the recent Farallon accident some people are saying the race should not be around the island. Any race near or around any landmark is going to have shallows. People run aground on the Smith Island and Blakely rocks race in our area. I've been on boats short tacking behind a point to avoid current where it's not uncommon for keels to touch the bottom before tacking. For every safety rule you make the racer will find another thing to do to take it to the edge.

Eventually you would be down to rules like no spinnakers in more the 10 knots of wind, and cancelling races in more than 15 knots. Or just make it virtual and sit at home in front of your computer, or ban racing altogether.


Some more info on the race:
Scuttlebutt: Scuttleblog - Sailing News and Commentary: 2009 Tjorn Runt race

I think this might be the island they're sailing around, which rock or passage do you ban?:

Tjörn, Sweden - Google Maps
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Old 22-04-2012, 04:32   #36
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Re: Worst.Seamanship.Ever

Other than the fact that the gamble(s) didn't pay off, i don't see what the problem is...

In another life i used to race sprintcars, you should have seen some of the costly bad moves/decisions i made in an effort to get the upper hand....i can fit through that gap

It's only racing folks....
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Other than the fact that the gamble(s) didn't pay off, i don't see what the problem is.........It's only racing folks....
Gotta agree, if you are not pushing the envelope, you are not racing.......which might be why I don't race.......
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Old 22-04-2012, 05:13   #38
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Other than the fact that the gamble(s) didn't pay off, i don't see what the problem is...

In another life i used to race sprintcars, you should have seen some of the costly bad moves/decisions i made in an effort to get the upper hand....i can fit through that gap

It's only racing folks....
I used to race moto-X and formula V and could not get insurance on those vehicles. The difference is that club racers do have insurance (usually) and we all pay higher premiums to pay for their fancy little flags and shiny trophies.
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Old 22-04-2012, 05:43   #39
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Hey what can I say I like the entertainment, and it isn't my boat!
I think the race sponsors will be pleased as punch with all the advertisements and viewings on You Tube, you couldn't ask for more.

Local boat yards do a nice line in repair work afterwards and the owners with more money than they know what to do with get a great story to tell in the bar afterwards. Everyone's happy, even the second owner who got a bargain yacht at a really good price, err oh well can't please everyone.

Would love to spectator
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OMG!!!...That poor poor rock!!!
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Re: Worst.Seamanship.Ever

If you aren't taken a chance in racing then you are known as the loser. I heard that it was the skipper's choice to go between those rocks instead of going around. Somebody thought they could make it and others naturally followed even though they had deepr keels.
Amazing what racing does to folks. Not just men but women too.
I feel sorry for the boats.
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FYI

The race map



and before you think taking the outside route is obstacle free, this is the south west corner of the island

This is the site for the race. Just chuck it into google translate...
Tjörn Runt - Stenungsunds SS - Segling - IdrottOnline Klubb

Those of you in America should like the Tjörn Runt as it seems to be the Nascar of yacht racing. Lot's of action and crashes happening right in front of the spectators.

some shots from the official site







Hitting rocks is par for the course when sailing the Stockholm or west coast archipelagos.

I'd never heard of the race until last year when a friend posted a photo of it on Facebook. I'd love to go to watch it this year except I will be in Greece keeping well clear of rocks.
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Great chaos for spectators


This is a good video for showing the race course conditions
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Thanks Hoppy. Agree, looks like fun ... in someone else's boat!

I just made a mental note to never buy a boat that was sailed in Sweden!
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BTW on the next island to the north of Tjörn is the island of Orust. This is where they make Hallberg Rassy, Najad & Malö yachts.
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