What Justifies a "MAYDAY"?

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Jammer Six

Getting into Canada isn't a problem. You may not need any ID by land.

To get back into the U.S., however, you will need a passport. The days of a driver's license are over.

Ain't that a bitch. Made friends with a Canadian yours ago that thought it should be a state. I'll bet he has changed his mind? If he had as much sense as I gave him credit for.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by avb3

Just a little technical correction.

Canada is one of the NATIONS of the Americas. We are NOT one of the states of the US. We actually get to fly our own flag. It's that maple leaf thingy

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I knew this. I just wanted to see how long it would take for a Canadian to challenge it. I also thought the yanks would go quite on it.

It's bit like Australia's state of New Zealand.

[Hoofsmit]

Now now boys play nice

Great Britain owned you all at one time !! ......>>>>>>> ( run away )




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[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by Hoofsmit

Now now boys play nice

Great Britain owned you all at one time !! ......>>>>>>> ( run away )

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Some would say they still own us.

[Hoofsmit]

Ouch..........

<<<<<< still hiding in the other room ......... :{


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[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Jammer Six

So now we have evidence that what is taught in Puget Sound is different from law in Australia, which is different from New Zealand, even though they share the same water, which is not law, and which are close but not the same as what the standard is in the U.K.

How much more evidence will we need before we conclude that the "standard" is different, depending on location and local politics?

Different standards mean, by definition, that there is no standard. I've seen the same thing in local laws about gas cylinder labels, over-the-road trucking equipment and prescription medication. It's why we license attorneys, physicians and contractors locally.

Since Newt was rude enough to bring immigrants into a thread that had nothing to do with them, remember that to us, you're the descendant of illegal immigrants, Newt. And have a nice day.

[Rustic Charm]

This morning I've read through all the posts on this subject. It's been interesting reading again. I'm going to attempt a summary of what seems to be the main points.

1. There is an International Standard which most countries have signed and agreed to. Despite this, Sovereign Nations have decided to further 'interpret' the International Standard and as a result there is some discrepancy's from nation to nation.

2. Sailors should all equate themselves with the expectations of what constitutes a 'mayday' and an 'urgency' call in the area they are sailing in.

3. Canada is not a state of the US.

These seem to be the two main points. In addition to above there are a few posters who seem to think it's okay to ignore the local requirements and only go with what they believe should be the case. I guess this is not that big a problem, unless it get's you fined for not following a local requirement. Certainly in Australia, you will not ever be in trouble for calling a mayday when you should be call an urgency call.

[Hoofsmit]

#139 ......... I go by the ' when in Rome'

With the inter web , we have no excuse of 'not knowing '

I think it's our responsibility , that if we want to be in someone else's playground we should know its local rules, if in international waters we stand under our own flag or at least it's agreements with the rest of the world .




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[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

Because people respond to Maydays more and faster than Pan Pan.
Mark

I think this is where the problem is. At least in Australia, New Zealand and probably the UK, people will respond just as quick to a Pan Pan as a mayday. The idea that a pan pan is somehow inferior is I think a concern and does not even seem to fit with the International regulation. (I'll avoid calling it a standard).

Some a claiming a 'pan pan' is simply a 'notification' which is so clearly wrong in what it appears everywhere. But if this is what people think of a Pan Pan then no wonder they elect to call Mayday's even for medical alerts.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by Hoofsmit

#139 ......... I go by the ' when in Rome'

With the inter web , we have no excuse of 'not knowing '

I think it's our responsibility , that if we want to be in someone else's playground we should know its local rules, if in international waters we stand under our own flag or at least it's agreements with the rest of the world . Sent from my iPad.......i apologise for the auto corrects !!!

spot on.

[Captain Bill]

The only thing that I see that this thread show in common is that the Captain/master is the only one authorized to transmit or authorize transmission of a mayday. I guess it just sucks to be the crew if the Captain is the first to go.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Cadence

You mean our southern boys hadn't made y'all speak correctly yet eh?

Can I still get into Canada on a drivers license or do a need my passport now?

Nope, those days are long gone both ways on the border. All border officials on both sides seem to view everyone with suspicion. The good old days are gone.

And besides which, ifn yer talkin' abut yer southern boys, that would be 'all y'all.

Or at least a school teacher who grew up in Alabama gave us an hour long lecture of the correct grammatical use of y'all versus all y'all.

All I could say was , "How aboot that".

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Hoofsmit

Now now boys play nice

Great Britain owned you all at one time !! ......>>>>>>> ( run away )




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I noticed you were correct in using the past tense.

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by avb3

Nope, those days are long gone both ways on the border. All border officials on both sides seem to view everyone with suspicion. The good old days are gone.

And besides which, ifn yer talkin' abut yer southern boys, that would be 'all y'all.

Or at least a school teacher who grew up in Alabama gave us an hour long lecture of the correct grammatical use of y'all versus all y'all.

All I could say was , "How aboot that".

I still sound like a New York Cityer 48 years later. Don't us usesguys (sp?) however.

[Jammer Six]

If I ever venture out of home waters, it seems to me that finding out how the locals do things would be a wise thing to do. Especially since some of the weirdest things are law in other places.