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Old 17-11-2014, 06:33   #196
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Re: What Justifies a "MAYDAY"?

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Who's the idiot then?
Mark I asked this before of your example (and to be honest, can;t remember 100% whether or not you answered -but I don;t think so - of course could be wrong). Can you explain to me how a mayday announcement is going to get those kids treatment faster than a panpan?
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Well, I'll take a stab and say that your about to go into St John's which tells me is a church or your in Canada and as Canada is one of the states of the US, then going in your should have the red to starboard not the green.
Just a little technical correction.

Canada is one of the NATIONS of the Americas. We are NOT one of the states of the US. We actually get to fly our own flag. It's that maple leaf thingy

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Just a little technical correction.

Canada is one of the NATIONS of the Americas. We are NOT one of the states of the US. We actually get to fly our own flag. It's that maple leaf thingy

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Damn! you mean I've had that wrong all these years?
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Damn! you mean I've had that wrong all these years?
We also say 'eh' and not 'y'all'

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I find it disturbing that apparently many here are not interested in learning how to use the GMDSS system correctly.
Carsten- a lot of people are very interested in using the system correctly. Please do not be dismayed.
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We also say 'eh' and not 'y'all'

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You mean our southern boys hadn't made y'all speak correctly yet eh?

Can I still get into Canada on a drivers license or do a need my passport now?
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Newt, if I break my leg and you make a pan-pan, it'll be fine. As long as you're talking to them. There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two responses.
Sorry I am just catching up on this thread.
Jammer if you break you leg with me. I will get you to a stable position immediately, treat for shock, see if you are bleeding from a vessel, ether internally or externally, evaluate for nerve or vessel impingement to affected leg ( and brace or set leg to resume flow or sensation) Get you warm, IV started, and crew making best speed for port.
Then I would call- and believe me, I would get their attention.
We are spoiled around Washington area...all I have to do is ask for the Coast Guard and they are on it like flies on butter. But what I think people are worried about here is that the situation be treated seriously. We can both agree that it is not a problem in the PNW.
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... people drown or die in situations that could have been prevented. Wearing a wrist lanyard to the kill switch, especially on a dinghy, wearing a pfd if you cant swim, and above all else practice survival skills, mob drills and know first aid, CPR. The cg isn't coming out cause you cut yourself or someone is not in imminent...
Yea, I'm getting older and more cautious, but I now wear a PFD when going out or working alone on deck in the the marina. I had a marina neighbor disappear last winter with no sign, boat open, car keys in the cabin, car in the parking lot... concluded he fell overboard and maybe hit his head... couple weeks later fellow fell in the Columbia river while peeing off the end of the dock at night, even with people around, he disappeared into the dark.
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Just a little technical correction.

Canada is one of the NATIONS of the Americas. We are NOT one of the states of the US. We actually get to fly our own flag. It's that maple leaf thingy

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Canada is definitely not part of the USA.
They are not paranoid.
They do not have homeland security to bother every Canadian coming across the border.
They do not have a president inviting all of south america to come north.
There are some days I want to sail to Canada and never come back.
And the bottom line...
Cruising in Canada is nicer.
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When I read the book "Fatal Storm", about the 1998 Sydney to Hobart Race, I was surprised just how long many of the sailors held out before calling a MAYDAY. And even after they called, many agreed to wait until the other sailors in more serious danger than them were lifted to safety.

It gave me a whole different concept on the meaning of MAYDAY and when you should call it.
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Mark I asked this before of your example (and to be honest, can;t remember 100% whether or not you answered -but I don;t think so - of course could be wrong). Can you explain to me how a mayday announcement is going to get those kids treatment faster than a panpan?
I've asked it more than twice too and I just don't get an answer. It's almost as if a 'mayday' is magical and will bring a trauma team to the boat.

And this whole idea that somehow what the international regulations call an 'urgency' call has been redefined into an 'advisory' call by some is simply strange.

And the claim that 'lives are considered more important now than in the past', really
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Can you explain to me how a mayday announcement is going to get those kids treatment faster than a panpan?
Because people respond to Maydays more and faster than Pan Pan.


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Can I still get into Canada on a drivers license or do a need my passport now?
Getting into Canada isn't a problem. You may not need any ID by land.

To get back into the U.S., however, you will need a passport. The days of a driver's license are over.
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Because people respond to Maydays more and faster than Pan Pan.


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Mark, no wry humor?

You nailed it. I might just listen to a pan pan. But would change course for a Mayday if I had something to offer, eg. pull someone out of the water. A heart attack probably not, I would just be in the way and muddy the water?
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interesting, New Zealand regs are a bit different, Mayday is for a Vessel OR a person;

Distress, urgency and safety calls
Special calls are used in cases of distress, urgency and safety, and
must be properly understood and used.
DISTRESS: the radio-telephone distress signal MAYDAY is used to
indicate that a vessel, aircraft or person is in grave and imminent
danger and requires immediate assistance.
URGENCY: the radio-telephone urgency signal PAN PAN is used to
indicate that a vessel has a very urgent message to transmit about
its safety (such as loss of steering).
SAFETY: the radio-telephone safety signal SÉCURITÉ (pronounced
say-cure-ee-tay) is used to indicate that the calling station has an
important navigational or meteorological warning to transmit.

From the NZ Maritime Safety Radio Handbook.
Despite what's being often quoted. That's pretty much the same as the Australian position.
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