Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-01-2011, 03:45   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Singapore
Boat: Cooper 60 Pilothouse Sloop
Posts: 27
Wagner Steering Systems

I have a dual Helm Wager steering system in my boat. I need some help troubleshooting>>>
I isolated all pumps in order to take them out of the equation, and left only with the two helm stations, (both B4 wagner units) and the 2 hydraulic rams on the rudder.
It works well in manual, BUT, it takes a few quick turns of the wheel to get it moving. If I slowly move the wheel, nothing happens. By slow, I mean 3 rpm. If I increase the rpm, then it works fine.
There are no leaks, and fluid is full. There is a cross connection valve to be opened when using emergency tiller.
Any ideas? Please help. Thanks
__________________

__________________
windships is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2011, 04:34   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 45
Wagner

Hello
Suggest you give Wayne at Marine-Plus.com a call.
Specialist in Wagner Systems.

number is 330-755-2176 between 11 AM & 7 PM, EST.
After 7 PM and on Weekends Cell is 330-519-9031
__________________

__________________
chuck711 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2011, 07:17   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 12,372
Does it take a few quick turns on the wheel to get it moving only when you first start out, then works normally or do you have to give a few quick turns the whole time you are sailing?

If the former my first guess would be air in the system. Even if the reservoirs are full there could be air trapped in the lines. Have you tried bleeding the system?

If the later it could be the seals or pump in the helm unit needs overhauling. If the seals around the unit on the helm are gone then that allows fluid to leak around the pump. Turning faster will push fluid through the system faster than it can bypass the seals so you get steering.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2011, 10:28   #4
Registered User
 
Fracman's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Andalucia
Boat: Cheoy Lee Trawler Yacht, 40ft
Posts: 3
Wagner hyd steering

Olah Winships,

Just rebuilt my hyd steering ram on my Cheoy Lee, found the attached service manual helpful, mine is a circa 1974 dual helm system, spare parts are still readily available, if you need a supply contact let me know and shall share the contact info with you.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf wa-brochure-filling-N-series-cylinders.pdf (293.4 KB, 388 views)
__________________
Fracman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-01-2011, 21:09   #5
Registered User
 
SabreKai's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada on Lake Ontario
Boat: Roberts Offshore 38
Posts: 1,287
Images: 5
I have a single Wagner manual pump, and one cylinder. When I got the boat I noticed a dead spot when starting to turn the wheel in either direction. About an 1/8th of a revolution in the new direction before you started to feel any pressure on the wheel.

Upon investigation, we found the plumbing to the cylinder had been installed with the pipes coming in to the cylinder from below. Any air in the system would end up in the cylinder. We changed that around so the cylinder feeds from above, and then bled the system. There is still a dead spot, though not quite as bad. Reading the above posts I'm going to pull the system and have both pump and cylinder overhauled. I guess after 32 years, service is due.


Sabre
__________________
SabreKai
SV Sabre Dance, Roberts Offshore 38
http://sabredancing.wordpress.com/
SabreKai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-12-2011, 00:16   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Singapore
Boat: Cooper 60 Pilothouse Sloop
Posts: 27
Re: Wagner Steering Systems

Thanks for all your help. I was away for some time and haven't got back to you all.
__________________

__________________
windships is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
steering

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hyrovane steering systems never monday Seamanship & Boat Handling 21 24-09-2014 23:31
Steering Systems, Autopilots 'n Windvanes SabreKai Monohull Sailboats 11 08-12-2012 12:45
Want To Buy: Wagner S50 Control Head and Remote hummingway Classifieds Archive 0 16-04-2010 22:00
Wagner MP320 Autopilot Shut Down eggman Marine Electronics 2 09-11-2009 18:21
New in the Box Wagner AutoPilot James427 Navigation 10 02-05-2009 17:34



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:15.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.