Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-02-2018, 19:54   #1
Registered User
 
Alan Mighty's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Moreton Bay
Boat: US$4,550 of lead under a GRP hull with cutter rig
Posts: 2,135
WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere (Davidson 50)

Relatively early news of a disaster in Western Australia, the Fremantle to Bunbury and Return Ocean Race:

One sailor dead, another missing after yacht overturns in Bunbury and Return Ocean Race - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

One dead, one missing in yacht tragedy off Mandurah
__________________
“Fools say that you can only gain experience at your own expense, but I have always contrived to gain my experience at the expense of others.” - Otto von Bismarck
Alan Mighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-02-2018, 19:58   #2
Registered User
 
Alan Mighty's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Moreton Bay
Boat: US$4,550 of lead under a GRP hull with cutter rig
Posts: 2,135
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Race track: YB Tracking Race Viewer - 70th Bunbury and Return 2018
__________________
“Fools say that you can only gain experience at your own expense, but I have always contrived to gain my experience at the expense of others.” - Otto von Bismarck
Alan Mighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-02-2018, 20:00   #3
Registered User
 
Alan Mighty's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Moreton Bay
Boat: US$4,550 of lead under a GRP hull with cutter rig
Posts: 2,135
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Location of the incident:

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/...urn-Ocean-Race
__________________
“Fools say that you can only gain experience at your own expense, but I have always contrived to gain my experience at the expense of others.” - Otto von Bismarck
Alan Mighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-02-2018, 20:04   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,007
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Weather conditions in the area are described as south easterly winds 15 to 20 knots, with one to two metre seas.

Geez...Such mild conditions (if true). What could have happened? Keel failure?
billknny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 01:15   #5
registered user
 
HankOnthewater's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: back in West Australia
Boat: plastic production boat, suitable for deep blue water ;)
Posts: 1,088
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Looking back, the conditions were quite normal for this coast, if not benign. If the tracker shows the correct position, the location of the incident happened well away from the Bouvard reefs which run parallel to the coast from Mandurah to Bunbury. I know the area very well. There are little or no currents, no reefs/shallows (at that location). The most dangerous items, in my view, are the cray pots (‘lobster’ pots to some). Finistere is a well-known sturdy yacht. Of course the question remains: “What happened?”.

My thoughts are with the family of the perished crew.
__________________
Wishing you all sunny skies above, clear water below, gentle winds behind and a safe port ahead,
and when coming this way check https://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Albany,_Australia
HankOnthewater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 01:26   #6
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
Posts: 12,888
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Quote:
Originally Posted by billknny View Post
Weather conditions in the area are described as south easterly winds 15 to 20 knots, with one to two metre seas.

Geez...Such mild conditions (if true). What could have happened? Keel failure?
First link says:
A spokeswoman for AMSA said conditions in the area were less than ideal, with winds up to 30 knots and three to four-metre waves.
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 02:53   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Back in Montt.
Boat: Westerly Sealord
Posts: 8,178
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
First link says:
A spokeswoman for AMSA said conditions in the area were less than ideal, with winds up to 30 knots and three to four-metre waves.
Still not heavy conditions and a link above suggests that she was going to windward ..... so not a nasty gybe situation....

I shall wait and watch rather than speculate... however....
__________________
A little bit about Chile can be found here https://www.docdroid.net/bO63FbL/202...anchorages-pdf
El Pinguino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 13:23   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Laboe - Germany
Posts: 528
Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

... very sad, two dead ...

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/wa-ya...-ng-b88755993z

Carsten
CarstenWL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 13:48   #9
Senior Cruiser
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,561
Images: 2
pirate Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

Preferred the first one.. no one died..
Sad when this happens.
__________________

It was a dark and stormy night and the captain of the ship said.. "Hey Jim, spin us a yarn." and the yarn began like this.. "It was a dark and stormy night.."
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 14:02   #10
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 28,400
Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

I tried the link, and it came back "page not found", twice.

Does anybody have any details, like where off Perth, who the decedents were, age of boat? previous grounding history?

Thanks very much,

Ann
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 14:02   #11
Registered User
 
boom23's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Med.
Boat: Amel 50
Posts: 1,016
Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

Sad news...

Here is a working link: https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/per...-ng-b88755727z
boom23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 15:44   #12
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 28,400
Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

Quote:
Originally Posted by boom23 View Post
Sad news...

Here is a working link: https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/per...-ng-b88755727z
Thank you very much, boom.

There's another thread going on the incident, as well, started by Alan Mighty, and a CF Custom Google Search (in the menu under the Search button) will get you there, the Bunbury Race is mentioned in the title.

Ann
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 16:07   #13
registered user
 
HankOnthewater's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: back in West Australia
Boat: plastic production boat, suitable for deep blue water ;)
Posts: 1,088
Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

This is the link to the other thread.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...-a-197889.html
__________________
Wishing you all sunny skies above, clear water below, gentle winds behind and a safe port ahead,
and when coming this way check https://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Albany,_Australia
HankOnthewater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 17:26   #14
Registered User
 
Polux's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Portugal/Med
Boat: Comet 41s
Posts: 6,140
Re: Another keel failure - Davidson 50 'Finistere'

Very sorry about the loss of lives.

I believe we all should be concerned with this problem that will become increasingly more frequent on boats with some age.

Many think that a keel is something that will not need maintenance and will last as much time as the hull. The bolts need to be changed way before. They may look impeccable and have metal fatigue.

We need industry guidance and rules regarding inspections.

When you buy a car you have schedules to replace pieces and you know that if don't do that the risks are high.

Offshore boats are more like airplane because while on a car when most pieces broke the changes are that nothing bad happens except a blown engine, on a boat if something like the keel fells of something really bad can happen.

Airplanes have strict schedules and are grounded if those schedules are not respected.

I have posted this already but I believe that what these guys say is important:

"John Squire
The loads are not only designed to take static loads. I am taking from a racing yacht perspective. The loads that the keels are designed have to take the require loads that can be caused by a large impact.
....
Maintenance is Key
I look after racing yachts with the high aspect ratio fins. We race the boats hard and it in inevitable that we have grounded at high speed. After this I have taken steps to have the keel inspected, keel bolts torqued and in some cases ultra sounded.....
Since the tragic loss of Cheeki Rafiki most of the racing charter fleet have had the keels removed, full check and the it all being reseated. Some of the boats had to have had work.

A large number of boat owners believe that they don't need to worry about keels which is insane. If proper steps are taken then it greatly reduces the danger of such loss.

The keelboats and the keel should be checked regularly and also after any serious grounding or stress load. It is simple maintenance. The designers do know what they are doing!"



"Bluebeard ...
Major overhauls as currently understood, do not include any check for fatigue damage anywhere in the hull or keel structure.
The problem is that there are no existing standards for yacht design.

Every industry has had it's catastrophic learning curve with fatigue. The aircraft industry had the Comet, and the offshore industry had the Alexander Kielland. As a result each industry has developed and implemented appropriate design standards. That is what the leisure sailing industry needs to do."


http://www.yachtingworld.com/news/ke...-facts-60006/3
Polux is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2018, 19:25   #15
Registered User
 
Alan Mighty's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Moreton Bay
Boat: US$4,550 of lead under a GRP hull with cutter rig
Posts: 2,135
Re: WA: Bunbury and Return Ocean Race: Finistere

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pinguino View Post
I shall wait and watch rather than speculate... however....

+1 on not speculating.

Only real news I've heard to date is the identification of one of the two departed. See:

Sailing community left reeling after double fatality off WA coast - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
__________________
“Fools say that you can only gain experience at your own expense, but I have always contrived to gain my experience at the expense of others.” - Otto von Bismarck
Alan Mighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
keel, race

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crew Available: Crew for Marion-Bermuda Race return sneuman Crew Archives 0 07-12-2012 11:43
Hello from Bunbury, Western Australia MarineCharger Meets & Greets 6 30-08-2010 18:39
Tragedy in the Volvo Ocean Race markpj23 Cruising News & Events 9 23-05-2006 05:06
Track the Volvo Ocean Race in Google Earth Frank4 General Sailing Forum 12 15-01-2006 22:23

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:04.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.