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Old 05-01-2015, 19:24   #31
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Gybing, in fact sailing downwind in general, is one area where a faster boat is a real advantage. Higher boatspeed means less apparent wind, much lower loads and stresses.


Gybing is much easier.
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Old 05-01-2015, 19:35   #32
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

My "lazy man's" approach to gybing. From a deep reach, I'll turn down to nearly DDW, then centre the traveller, shorten the mainsheet, gybe the boat to bring the main to the new side, but still not far from DDW sailing wing-on wing, headsail by the lee for a few moments while I get the main set up, and everything sorted, then go on to the new deep reach, gybing the headsail.
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Old 05-01-2015, 19:59   #33
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Some of these methods are great, but if it is choppy out and the waves are a different direction than the wind things aren't so simple.

I feel there are lots of times when it is better to turn semi deep into the wind and then crank the main in before you gybe. Sometimes you just can not pull the line fast enough once the wave and wind catch the boat during the gybe and it is better to not allow much travel in the boom.

I had my main halyard break during a gybe it bad conditions once because a wave caught the boat just as stern went though the wind. That became a lesson as I tried to get the main back as the waves tried to remove me from the boat.
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Old 05-01-2015, 21:38   #34
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Here's a Chinese Gybe (It's spelled gybe. Jibe means a pointed joke) from last week's Sydney Hobart Race. The boat is Wild Rose and despit this is went on to win on handicap:
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Old 05-01-2015, 22:07   #35
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

I've never busted anything tacking. Gybing, on the other hand - even with a boombrake and hauling the sheet in - is hard on the gear. A couple of days ago in a fairly light breeze i did a lazy gybe, hauling the sheet in and with the bloody boom brake on, and the main halyard parted at the top of the mast - must have broken the shackle (which halyard i recalled I had been using to hang myself off the mast 3/4 of the way up to do some rigging chores a day or two before...)
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Re: To Tack or Jibe???

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.... The preventer seems to be a critical piece of equipment, which someone already noted....
Preventer is fine if you want to prevent an un-controlled jibe, but it is obvious that you should free the preventer before execution of an intended jibe.

An interesting piece of equipment, especially for singlehanders, would be a boombrake.
E.G. (there are more than the following two)
Dutchman Boom Brake at
Dutchmar ยป Boom Brake


Wichard boom brake
Boom brake / Gyb'easy


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Old 06-01-2015, 04:17   #37
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Jibe (US) Gybe (UK)
Gibe - a negative remark.
Jibe - can also mean to agree.

Always sad to see two peoples divided by a common language.
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

It all comes down to practice. When you race you don't have a choice on the downwind leg, you must gybe or lose because I can assure you the leader is going to gybe.

And at the downwind mark if a boat is coming in from the wrong side, he will also have to drop his spinnaker then gybe then get the jib and main in as soon as possible for the upwind leg or again lose.

Now place 6 or 8 other boats around you while you are doing all this. Racing can teach you a lot because it doesn't give you choices.

On a singlehanded boat with a spinnaker you even get more practice especially at a crowded downwind mark. Even on a regular gybe, you have to gybe both the spinnaker and the main but like someone said earlier, at higher speed it is easier.

So when you are out cruising on a windy or medium wind day and have some extra energy, get in some practice gybes. It's another good reason to start out sailing on a small boat.
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Old 06-01-2015, 05:13   #39
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

GREAT pic Delancey!

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Its good to perfect the crash gybe... never know when you'll need it..
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I've only sailed on a couple of junks, and I'm buying one this month.
Gybing is a much simpler and less violent affair on a junk because a percentage (between 10 and 20) of the sail is forward of the mast, damping the motion.
Reading the 6 steps for gybing (above), here are the 6 steps for gybing a junk:
1. Put the helm over.
2. Make a cup of tea.
3. Check CF for interesting arguments.
4. Eat a biscuit.
5. Look at birds.
6. Write a poem.
Items 2 to 6 may be done in any order, or not at all.
Good Stuff!

Seems there's another ...

"gentlemen never.... " quote in there somewhere!
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Generally, if your course change is "upwind" a tack is preferred. If you're course change is "downwind" a gybe is preferable.
If you need to change course through the wind but prefer or need to gybe then you are "wearing". My 38ish full keel boat doesn't tack nicely, especially when single handing, so I tend to wear in light or very strong winds, to save myself stress, sore palms and sore shoulders, and often, because it's more efficient for me.
Modern fin keel boats rarely need to wear, because they point better. I have never had the misfortune of owning such a boat
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

I don't think jibing is really all that difficult or dangerous, if you practice and know what to expect. Singlehanded, I can jibe my main in winds up to about 15 true by bearing off to DDW, grabbing the whole mainsheet purchase and tugging the boom across the cockpit, then bracing myself and taking up the shock as the boom comes to the end of its travel. Racers do this all the time. (But practice in light winds first.)
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

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Tack or Gybe!

Let's use an analogy that all the non-sailors can understand.

Hold a half opened umbrella with the top pointed into a strong wind.
....... this is a tack.

Hold a half opened umbrella with the top pointed with a strong wind.
....... this is a gybe.

Now, imagine that your umbrella has a thirty foot diameter.

Clear?
not really
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Upon rereading the OP I see the question framed as "...since they seem to get you to the same place", which I infer to mean you want to end up going in the opposite direction from where you started.

I think it's a matter of personal preference. If you really want to see it in action go crew in a race because you will see a lot of this in the minutes leading up to the start where boats are playing around trying to get into position for the start of the race. Some helmsmen prefer to tack away from the line and then tack back toward it; some prefer to gybe and then tack back around; some prefer to gybe and then gybe back around; some prefer to tack and then gybe back; all depending on the circumstances.

Personally, I prefer to fall off and gybe when possible but that's just me.
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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

Boatman ya should posted your "wind wheel" again at the start of this Thread,,,,😎

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Re: To Tack or Jibe?

When facing steep waves when the boat lost too much momentum to tack, I've had to make a 270-degree jibe.
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