Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 13-02-2012, 13:01   #61
Registered User

Join Date: May 2008
Location: British Columbia, Mexico
Boat: S&S Hughes 38
Posts: 837
Images: 23
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

May is the popular month so that the return to PNW can be made in July.More than 1 month in Paradise would be nice,but expensive.This was nowhere near PPJ route.
__________________

__________________
highseas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2012, 13:22   #62
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
 
zeehag's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 17,770
Images: 56
Send a message via Yahoo to zeehag Send a message via Skype™ to zeehag
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

meetings are ongoing until departure which occurs from feb thru april. la cruz yacht club is still having meetings, but many have already left and more to leave at intervals thru april.

is cyclone season in so pacific now--- watch windows for weather...
__________________

zeehag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-02-2012, 16:49   #63
Registered User
 
mikefossl's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawaii
Boat: CS 40
Posts: 171
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

More info on the cause. Seems that the the for-stay failed and while the skipper was up the mast trying to effect a repair, the shrouds pulled out of the deck. Both he and the mast went over the side. Trying to imagine being up the mast in 15-20 foot waves with a broken for-stay... yikes!

It does seem that the standing rigging could have been stronger. Here's a link. Check out the first part of the video.

Boy, 2 men plucked from ocean in dramatic rescue | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram
__________________
Michael Fössl
S/V Second Jump
British Columbia
mikefossl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 04:30   #64
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikefossl View Post
More info on the cause. Seems that the the for-stay failed and while the skipper was up the mast trying to effect a repair, the shrouds pulled out of the deck. Both he and the mast went over the side. Trying to imagine being up the mast in 15-20 foot waves with a broken for-stay... yikes!

It does seem that the standing rigging could have been stronger. Here's a link. Check out the first part of the video.

Boy, 2 men plucked from ocean in dramatic rescue | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram
Should've sent a small child up the mast .....and they had one onboard!
David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 10:28   #65
abh
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Iceland
Posts: 53
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

I wonder what the correct procedure would be in cases like this. It surely isn't anything that should be taken lightly to climb up the mast in big swells with broken forestay. I would reckon having some sail up, head downwind, to keep pressure against backstay, then climb up. Or is it better to do it under bare poles? Alway keep a spare halyard maybe which could be used temporally?
__________________
abh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 10:36   #66
Registered User
 
cwyckham's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Boat: Niagara 35
Posts: 1,870
Most boats would have a soon halyard to use temporarily. That and running off should do the trick
__________________
Chris
SailMentor.com - Become the Confident Skipper of Your Own Sailboat
cwyckham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 10:39   #67
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,040
Images: 1
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by abh View Post
I wonder what the correct procedure would be in cases like this. It surely isn't anything that should be taken lightly to climb up the mast in big swells with broken forestay. I would reckon having some sail up, head downwind, to keep pressure against backstay, then climb up. Or is it better to do it under bare poles? Alway keep a spare halyard maybe which could be used temporally?
I would not go up a mast in a storm (55+ knots)

Spare genoa or spinnaker halyards should hold the rig up under minimal sail.

Go downwind or go bare poles. A drogue or sea anchor would be in order.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 11:07   #68
Registered User
 
Connemara's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Boat: Mirage 27 in Toronto; Wright 10 in Auckland
Posts: 671
Images: 2
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Possible, I suppose, that the fore halyards had run through and the shackles were stuck at the top of the mast, which would explain why he had to go up.

Took guts. I hate going up when I'm at the dock.

Connemara
__________________
Connemara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 11:27   #69
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Florida
Boat: Pearson 323 - Island Breezes
Posts: 178
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by abh View Post
I wonder what the correct procedure would be in cases like this.
My first thought: Tie off the spare halyard to keep the mast up under bare poles, deploy the drogue, wedge myself into a bunk down below out of the way of flying projectiles and eat cold soup in between throwing up while I waited for the weather to pass.
__________________
LauderBoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 12:16   #70
Senior Cruiser
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Now in Blaine, WA
Boat: Modified Choate 40
Posts: 10,702
Images: 122
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

In the Portland interview the guy up the mast said the shrouds pulled out of the deck. (deck mounted chainplates)

This boat should not have been off shore. They are lucky to be alive. Looking at the pictures, their boom is not much larger then my whisker pole. And you can't even see the shrouds or stays. It looks an awful lot like a Bayliner Buccaneer 325 but the portals are in the wrong place.

They say the motor had 2000 hours. So it must have been its original and maintenance would be questionable.

It's always been my belief that a sea going vessels strongest points should be; the rigging, motor, keel and rudder otherwise stay close to port.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves!

Unprepared boaters, end up as floatsum!.......
delmarrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 12:53   #71
Registered User
 
webejammin's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pacific NW, sailing the Columbia River, USA
Boat: Gemini 105MC 34 ft hull#753
Posts: 951
Images: 3
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Sounds like the rigging pulling out left a big enough hole in the bow to start flooding the boat. Nothing was said about type of boat or what year it was, and hearing the deck failed sounds like old water damage in the deck like would be fouind in the inland waters of the Salish Sea where it rains lots. These guys were from inland Alberta Canada and were just out for an adventure in the winter in the Pacific and not aware of winter storms to sail around, just plowing thru whatever came probably not in a newer or less than 10 year old boat, scarry.
__________________
Wind in my hair and a nice catamaran
Phil & Elaine
webejammin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 13:17   #72
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
 
zeehag's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 17,770
Images: 56
Send a message via Yahoo to zeehag Send a message via Skype™ to zeehag
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

"...just plowing thru whatever came probably not in a newer or less than 10 year old boat, scarry."

i just plow thru stuff in a 30+yr old boat-- but is a solid taiwanese leaky teaky......safer than many production boats as is solid and keel stepped mast. (my opinion)
zeehag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 13:22   #73
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,040
Images: 1
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by delmarrey View Post
It looks an awful lot like a Bayliner Buccaneer 325 but the portals are in the wrong place.
My first thought was that it had a Buccaneer appearance, but I am not that familiar with them. The boat is reported to to be 10 meters.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-02-2012, 14:04   #74
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 523
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by zeehag View Post
"...just plowing thru whatever came probably not in a newer or less than 10 year old boat, scarry."

i just plow thru stuff in a 30+yr old boat-- but is a solid taiwanese leaky teaky......safer than many production boats as is solid and keel stepped mast. (my opinion)
Zee, you have a 30 year boat that is getting younger by the day. you know that you have to pay your dues to your boat or the sea will take its payments. What it looks like in this situation is that some one has bought a boat cheap, not prioritised spending (electronic before structure) and put it away wet. (based on the interview and picture of it at the dock). They do not have the experience that you have and were sailing to a scedual (which may have been unrealistic). Look at your own scedules, "when i get this fixed i will do" that. So what happened here was the rigging let go from the deck. Whats your chain plats etc like. Checked, refurbished or renewed .... so where is the comparision in either boat or crew.
__________________
2 Dogs
justwaiting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2012, 17:22   #75
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 340
Re: Three Canadian Sailors Rescued off Hawai

Quote:
Originally Posted by webejammin View Post
. Nothing was said about type of boat or what year it was, .
The Sail world article here.....Sail-World.com : Nine-year-old: 'We're gonna sink. We're gonna die,' but family rescued

...... does say quote"'If one bad thing goes wrong, it just seems like it gets worse and worse and worse and that's what happened.' These were the words of rescued sailor Mitchell James, the Canadian skipper of the catamaran lost to the Pacific Ocean after he, his brother Bradley and nine-year-old nephew West were rescued over two hundred nautical miles off the coast of Honolulu."Unquote.

So sail world says Catamaran?? Mistake??

Regards
__________________

__________________
cat skin hat
catty is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
catamaran

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SSSSM - Part Deux Gadagirl Off Topic Forum 2196 Today 12:40
Rescued at Sea - Are You Prepared ? smackdaddy General Sailing Forum 132 22-02-2014 16:51



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:41.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.