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02-09-2019, 20:44
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cruiser
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Half Moon Bay, CA, USA
Boat: 1963 Pearson Ariel, Hull 75
Posts: 1,111
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The loss of M/V Conception
As I'm sure most of you have heard, the vessel Conception burned to the waterline this morning in a cove at northern Santa Cruz Island, off the coast of Santa Barbara, CA. A distress call went out from the vessel at 3:15 AM PDT (1015 UTC), according to the USCG, and the last AIS position report received from a volunteer marinetraffic.com receiving station occurred at about the same time (1016 UTC).
Here is the last position reported by marinetraffic.com: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:3479687/mmsi:367098480/vessel:CONCEPTION
Early news reports indicate the ENTIRE crew escaped, and that ALL of the passengers are presumed to have perished. That is awful news. Here is the USCG statement: https://tinyurl.com/y5lodqvd.
The incident raises several questions, not the least of which are:
- How did the fire spread so quickly without some form of accelerant?
- The entire crew appear to have been awake and on the bridge deck at 3 AM. Why?
- And of course, why didn't anyone besides the crew escape? The passengers were divers, and the shore was nearby.
Maybe one of you who is familiar with this type of dive vessel operation can comment.
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02-09-2019, 21:01
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Channel Islands, CA
Boat: 1962 Columbia 29 MK 1 #37
Posts: 14,262
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Here is the other thread: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ng-223273.html
file:///Users/user/Downloads/Conception%20-%20Truth%20Aquatics.pdf
My wife and I were married on one of the other Truth Aquatics boats. It's an operation dedicated to safety. Still waiting to hear from crew who survived, but in that boat all the passengers have bunks below decks and crew have bunks above decks. The boat and company are well-known and highly respected. That particular boat has been doing dive trips since '81. Best to wait to see what investigation turns up. But for now, best to send send condolences to the family and friends of the victims.
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1962 Columbia 29 MKI #37
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03-09-2019, 07:33
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cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2017
Boat: Retired from CF
Posts: 13,317
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Just heard on the radio, the transcript of the emergency call with the CG apparently implies the crew member in the water was reporting passengers were somehow locked in.
Not all crew survived I think, but apparently all five survivors were crew.
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03-09-2019, 08:06
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
r i p to the dead and condolences to the families of the deceased.
this is a horror.
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03-09-2019, 08:26
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Caribbean live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 6,353
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
I suspect crew was filling tanks and making breakfast. Gasoline and propane. I’d guess big instant fire, oxygen gone in the flash. Hope they figure it out. Plenty of witnesses.
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03-09-2019, 08:51
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Scotland
Boat: 42ft Moody Ketch
Posts: 643
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Yes a sad day . condolences to all
But before this gets into the conspiracy thread lets stop it there and just mourn those that have been lost, and let those trained to find out what happened do their Job.
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03-09-2019, 08:58
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cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2017
Boat: Retired from CF
Posts: 13,317
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicholson58
Plenty of witnesses.
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Really? I missed that.
Who besides the 5 survivors, all crew members?
No conspiracies, but hopefully lessons to be learned.
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03-09-2019, 09:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 10,208
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarian
Yes a sad day . condolences to all
But before this gets into the conspiracy thread lets stop it there and just mourn those that have been lost, and let those trained to find out what happened do their Job.
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Well said.
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03-09-2019, 09:10
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 92
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
There was only one entrance to lower bunk deck, a spiral staircase, and it was in front of the boat next to the galley. If a fire originated in galley, it would have quickly cut off egress out of bunk area. Apparently there was no emergency hatch. Why didn't a fire alarm do its job of alerting the crew and passengers? I had been on that boat many times over the last 30 years. Terrible news.
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03-09-2019, 09:15
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Aboard
Boat: Hatteras CPMY 63’
Posts: 900
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
How can a commercial dive boat get certified with no secondary exit from the bunk room? I see on the floor plan that there were two stairs up and out, from the bunk room and from the showers, but they both went to the galley, the most likely place for a fire to start. Again how can this be legal?
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03-09-2019, 09:46
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don C L
Here is the other thread: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ng-223273.html
file:///Users/user/Downloads/Conception%20-%20Truth%20Aquatics.pdf
My wife and I were married on one of the other Truth Aquatics boats. It's an operation dedicated to safety. Still waiting to hear from crew who survived, but in that boat all the passengers have bunks below decks and crew have bunks above decks. The boat and company are well-known and highly respected. That particular boat has been doing dive trips since '81. Best to wait to see what investigation turns up. But for now, best to send send condolences to the family and friends of the victims.
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Thanks Don, I have been out on Conception before and she is a well founded boat. I also dove on the original Truth (not sure if the boat is related to the company) but that too was a well run boat. Sleeping quarters are tight below decks so if something happened where the exit was blocked by fire that could have been a problem. The question remains what started the fire and where? I am thinking a propane issue but your guess is as good as mine. I don't know how much gasoline they carry or where. In the meantime lets not make accusations.
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03-09-2019, 09:47
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodland Hills
How can a commercial dive boat get certified with no secondary exit from the bunk room? I see on the floor plan that there were two stairs up and out, from the bunk room and from the showers, but they both went to the galley, the most likely place for a fire to start. Again how can this be legal?
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There is a secondary exit.
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03-09-2019, 09:49
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicholson58
I suspect crew was filling tanks and making breakfast. Gasoline and propane. I’d guess big instant fire, oxygen gone in the flash. Hope they figure it out. Plenty of witnesses.
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Don't know but I doubt crew is filling tanks at 3 AM.
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03-09-2019, 10:00
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Aboard
Boat: Hatteras CPMY 63’
Posts: 900
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmika
There is a secondary exit.
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Where is it?
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03-09-2019, 10:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Maryland
Boat: 1985 Ericson 32-3
Posts: 315
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Re: The loss of M/V Conception
See Post #25 of the other thread for the escape hatch.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...-223273-2.html
And the regulation is 46 CFR § 177.500 - Means of escape
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