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Old 12-01-2019, 20:25   #61
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

do you fasten that directly to the staysail.....or using a shackle?
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

I fasten it directly through the clew , making it a hitch, it is neat and works, no need for shackles, soft or stainless
The u tube video shows the tying of the alpine butterfly knot , and the hitch version.
I will get a pic later today and post it
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

The attachment that Cheechako's drawing shows will work in many cases but I find the knot shown will slip under continual load. I suggest you add a half twist to the bight of the line after you pass it through the cringle and then lead both sheets through it. This adds additional clamping that reduces slip.
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

I didn't read the whole thread. Wandering Star's staysail stay is quite far forward, the jib won't always go through without wrangling. Two things help: splice a short line joining the sheets forward so it can cross smoothly, and getting the clew around quickly, before the jib collapses against the stay.
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

Got to the hardware stay and by a length of white PVC pipe and run the inner forestay through that. It will act as a roller and it won't matter at all how you attach your sheets. You will also reduce chafe.
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

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Got to the hardware stay and by a length of white PVC pipe and run the inner forestay through that. It will act as a roller and it won't matter at all how you attach your sheets. You will also reduce chafe.
Umm... doesn't that kinda get in the way of hanking on a sail?

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Umm... doesn't that kinda get in the way of hanking on a sail?

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It sure would! Sorry, I have a babystay rather than a true inner forestay and was thinking of that.
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Re: Tacking Jib with Inner forestay

As Bongo said. But here is some more detail.

Tacking a double headsail rig takes coordination, usually two people working the sheets minimum: one on the jib, one on the staysl. You probably need a third person on the helm or maybe the autopilot if it tacks well. It is a real pain without two people working the sheets.

When you tack, as you head up, grind in the staysl so it gets really flat. Release the jib sheet the normal time -- when the bow goes through the eye of the wind. As the bow falls off towards the new close hauled course, the jib will be pushed through to leeward, clearing the inner forestay. Start to sheet the jib in on the new leeward side.

As the clew of the headsail blows past the inner forestay, then the stays'l sheet is released. The staysl sheet trimmer then goes to the leeward staysl sheet winch and starts pulling it in, probably hand over hand.

The jib is trimmed in first, and then the staysl trimmed to match.

Note that both trimmers -- the staysl trimmer and the jib trimmer -- are paying close attention to their sails, and acting at the proper moment. If the timing is off, it really does not work (the sheets hang up on the inner forestay). If you don't have two people to work the sheets, and who both can pay attention and act upon what they see, then don't tack with a staysl and inner forestay set.

In general, it is quite unlikely that you actually make better VMG close hauled with a staysl. So if you are actually beating, then you probably want the staysl not flying, and the inner forestay out of the way (I bring mine back to the shrouds). Or, the jib down and just the staysl which of course is very easy to tack.

If you have a staysl on a roller, drop it, as that is a real anti-sailing configuration: a ton of windage in the worst possible place, and difficult tacking. Bad idea. If you wonder why you can't go to windward (and also, why your boat won't lie at anchor without sailing all over the cove), this is the reason. Sure, you see the IMOCA 60s with all sorts of rollers up there, but they don't go upwind! And they don't anchor. If they do tack anything but the innermost staysl, the have to roll the thing up -- very slow, very hard work. They reach and run around the world.

If you use soft hanks on the staysl, then tacking works better too: soft hanks are much smoother to the jib than bronze hanks.

If you are just screwing around daysailing, then try gybing instead of tacking the double headsail rig.
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