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Old 22-03-2013, 10:49   #31
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Re: Storm Tactics for Double-Enders?

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Has everybody read the books by the Smeetons on Tzu Hang describing pitchpoling in the Southern Ocean? Even traditional, heavy double enders can get going too fast for their own good if the waves get big enough.
I have read that one and re-read it again about two months ago. That's the book I recommend to all proponents of the apparent ultimate safety of CA styled designs. ;-))))))

I am not certain they went surfing. It sounds much more like they got tossed forward while being on the top of 'just breaking', and very steep, wave. Same thing does a boat hove-to, if she stays hove to for too long, while the storm develops.

Whatever happened top Tzu, they did something wrong there - it happened to them again a moment later.

Whatever the design, the crew should always aim to control the boat in extreme weather for as long as viable. Hiding down below in real bad weather is a first class ticket to a bad sea accident being part of one's story. (Sure I know staying down below may be the only option due to exhaustion in any short handed crew).

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Old 22-03-2013, 10:52   #32
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Re: Storm Tactics for Double-Enders?

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FWIW: All sailboats are double enders under water.(...)
Now you are stealing my fave quotes!

+1!

Perhaps with the honorable exceptions of very modern toys like IMOCAs and Optis.

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Old 22-03-2013, 11:11   #33
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Okay buoyancy argument put to rest. I love the look.
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Old 22-03-2013, 18:59   #34
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Then this depends on where your destination is. Fore-reach slowly if you are sailing to a place upwind of you, run if the destination is downwind.

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FORE-REACHING is high on Pardey's list of tactics. Its favored because you have options to move away from a storm. You have more control. You also do not need to deploy anything and you do not apply abnormal forces on the sails & rig. It can work really well on full keel boats but is more difficult on fin keel boats. On a full keel boat you may find you can set the rig, lock the helm and go for some rest.

We have a storm tri-sail and cutter storm jib for really crappy times.
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Re: Storm Tactics for Double-Enders?

We hoved too with a double ender in the Tasman. First under triple reefed main and then under tri sail after a knock down. With the tri sail we thought she fore reached less and pointed higher into the weather. We had a Sea anchor but instead put a jib in the water which held our bow higher but we still fore reached. What did we learn? Not sure but we got through ok. I think the variation between boats and storms varies too much to say what will work. All I know is we went ok. Some one said the best storm tactic is to try everything you know out of sheer desperation. If the conditions got worse or changed we would have tried some thing new. Actually we did learn one thing and that was to get to sleep and put the radio on very loud and then you cant hear the wind howling through the rigging and it seemed to be calmer when we did that.
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(...) Actually we did learn one thing and that was to get to sleep and put the radio on very loud and then you cant hear the wind howling through the rigging and it seemed to be calmer when we did that.
'Storm psychology'. A tasty side dish from the main of this thread.

Probably a good subject for a separate thread too!

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