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Old 18-12-2013, 06:23   #31
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Re: Single handing a yacht into a slip under sail - possible?

As said above, if the wind is just right, i do it just for the kick. BUT 90% of the time the wind in Key West blows out of the East, making my slip downwind…. even under bare poles, i will blow downwind too fast to keep the glass from hitting the wood!
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Sadly I could figure out no way of doing this in our double pens, as it would prevent my neighbour from coming and going. I have half the "X" though to at least prevent the bow from hitting the finger too hard.

Also, just a thought, but how does this affect your bottom paint? With our very soft ablative I reckon it might rub through pretty quickly.

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It's not anywhere near my waterline. It catches the bow a good foot and a half above the waterline, and maybe rides up another six inches or so stopping it. I'll try and take a picture of it this weekend.

I can't remember who showed it to me, but it sure takes the stress out of wondering how you would get back in if you couldn't crank the engine.
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In a slip that I plan to use for a while I pre-rig 2 lines on the dock. A running line with a thimble for the bow and another cleated to outer end of the slip. The running line has a loop for the bow and a 4' tail that is knotted to the second line..

Come in at a creep, boat hook the loop, drop it on the bow cleat, untie the tail knot and walk the 2nd line to the mid ship cleat.

It helps when the wind is kicking and when single handing.
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Funny enough I prefer to use the main in most cases.. even if anchoring... just release the mainsheet and give the boom a shove as you leave the cockpit... beats the hell outa being whipped to death or blinded by flailing genoa sheets... also... wind/tide direction factors hugely into the decision as to whether I enter or anchor out.
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Funny enough I prefer to use the main in most cases.. even if anchoring... just release the mainsheet and give the boom a shove as you leave the cockpit... beats the hell outa being whipped to death or blinded by flailing genoa sheets... also... wind/tide direction factors hugely into the decision as to whether I enter or anchor out.
That's been my exact thought with everybody saying they use the headsail??? Better control with 1)effort 2)boom maneuverability 3)instant drop if need be 4)one sheet
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That's been my exact thought with everybody saying they use the headsail??? Better control with 1)effort 2)boom maneuverability 3)instant drop if need be 4)one sheet
It's a personal preference so whatever works is what's important. For me the Jib sheet and winch are generally easier to access from behind the wheel (unless the traveler and mainsheet are on the deck at the binnacle) and I found that I had a better chance of maintaining slow boat speed with the jib than the main. When I used the main I occasionally came in too hot. Don't seem to have that problem with the jib. Just my 2 cents.
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That's when practicing control by 'Feathering' comes in handy.. to slow sheet in for a quick boost.. to fast.. let out and feather...
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Re: Single handing a yacht into a slip under sail - possible?

If the wind is behind me, I cannot drop the main easily or use it as a throttle. It is all the sail to the wind. If you have a bat car system this may be different on your boat. On mine there is too much friction with the boom all the way out.

Jib can be rolled up partially or fully instantly. This of course assumes you have roller furling. So basically I say use the headsail because it is much easier to throttle back and douse.
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It's a personal preference so whatever works is what's important. For me the Jib sheet and winch are generally easier to access from behind the wheel (unless the traveler and mainsheet are on the deck at the binnacle) and I found that I had a better chance of maintaining slow boat speed with the jib than the main. When I used the main I occasionally came in too hot. Don't seem to have that problem with the jib. Just my 2 cents.
Totally understand.... different boats for different folks... AND different directions... Layouts... berths... No way could I come in under genny with the 2 tight turns I need... windward side of a tight fairway...downwind/downcurrent slip... with a full keel.... Reefed main???? No problemo!
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If the wind is behind me, I cannot drop the main easily or use it as a throttle. It is all the sail to the wind. If you have a bat car system this may be different on your boat. On mine there is too much friction with the boom all the way out.

Jib can be rolled up partially or fully instantly. This of course assumes you have roller furling. So basically I say use the headsail because it is much easier to throttle back and douse.
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Re: Single handing a yacht into a slip under sail - possible?

jd1,

The midships line is key. Set up the boat before you enter the marina, fenders out, the bow line led back and flaked where you can reach it near amidship, and also the stern line, so you have at the ready, the three lines you'll need for tying alongside. If you need another spring line, put it on afterwards.

You'll need to come in a little faster than you did in the OP, but what you do is leave the boat with the midships spring line and secure it to the outermost cleat, then, since the wind is from ahead for you, secure the bow line to keep the vessel from going astern; finally, deal with the stern line. The amidships spring line is your "brakes"to kill your forward momentum, so she stops. Adjust the lines as needs be.

If it is a difficult jump down to the dock, you might consider making a step that you hang off the toe rail, that will make getting on the dock more controllable.
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Re: Single handing a yacht into a slip under sail - possible?

Any arguments for/against the "jump off" and secure the spring line vs lasso it with a boathook?

When I learned to sail, we always sailed in - 'twas beyond easy with 2 people and it was a slip - not an endtie.

I'm a bit terrified of jumping off my boat, missing the cleat (or falling, or whatever) and watching the boat sail off without me. It would then undoubtedly make a perfect beeline for the most expensive thing in the harbor to hit.
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Re: Single handing a yacht into a slip under sail - possible?

Jumping is for young turks who know they will live forever.

You jump, you stumble, you fall and learn the hard way that there is almost never any good reason to do anything except STEP off the boat, after it has stopped moving, or damn close to that.

A little practice with throwing a line, catching a loop around a cleat, and you'll never have to jump. Except in British Columbia, where they don't seem to use cleats, and there's often nothing to tie onto except a "rail" you have to pass the line under. I think they do that just to perplex the Yanks.
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Any arguments for/against the "jump off" and secure the spring line vs lasso it with a boathook?

When I learned to sail, we always sailed in - 'twas beyond easy with 2 people and it was a slip - not an endtie.

I'm a bit terrified of jumping off my boat, missing the cleat (or falling, or whatever) and watching the boat sail off without me. It would then undoubtedly make a perfect beeline for the most expensive thing in the harbor to hit.
I've jumped off once with our boat, and I am never doing it again. The wind caught her and I was dragged down the dock, only managing to get the line round a cleat on the dock twice before it took up the slack on the line. Within seconds the line was slipping and literally smoking as it ran through the cleat. It was VERY touch and go and I swore I would never leave the boat again until I had it fastened to at least once cleat with an adequate line.

17 tons and four feet of freeboard make for a very ungainly boat sometimes.

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and generally heave and haul the high-freeboard-wind-sock monster into the correct position.

Then I tend to go and have a little quiet lie down for a bit.... let the heart rate return to a steady thump from the high pitched whine...

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