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Old 10-03-2016, 05:58   #106
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I think anyone with a boat understands the generally rapacious nature of the salvage industry.

Sure the high end is populated by reputable people with a worthy reputation but then there is the rest .

It would surely give me pause before agreeing to any casual offer of assistance. Especially in some two- bit country with a reputation for corruption or inadequate legal codes.

DIY IF you can.

I wonder what options the yacht at the heart of this thread had at the time.

Seeking alternative service?
Anchor, lighten ship and winch off?


How many of us carry the necessary gear to deploy in attempt to get out of trouble?

Heavier anchors? Wire cable? Dyneema instead of chain ?
Heavier winching gear?

Any thoughts from all you long distance cruisers?

Or just insurance?


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This is an interesting earlier thread

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Why Dynema instead of chain?
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Why Dynema instead of chain?

Stronger than most rope. Floats away from reef/coral/rocks.

Easier to winch.

Easier to carry out on dingy.


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I think anyone with a boat understands the generally rapacious nature of the salvage industry.

Sure the high end is populated by reputable people with a worthy reputation but then there is the rest .

It would surely give me pause before agreeing to any casual offer of assistance. Especially in some two- bit country with a reputation for corruption or inadequate legal codes.

DIY IF you can.

I wonder what options the yacht at the heart of this thread had at the time.

Seeking alternative service?
Anchor, lighten ship and winch off?


How many of us carry the necessary gear to deploy in attempt to get out of trouble?

Heavier anchors? Wire cable? Dyneema instead of chain ?
Heavier winching gear?

Any thoughts from all you long distance cruisers?

Or just insurance?


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You are assuming a lot of knowledge and expertise on the part of the owner/skipper..
I know lots of boats of all sizes and values where they barely know their Ass from their Elbow.. and former pilots/navigators who've run aground outside the wrong harbour 30miles from their destination through a combination of arrogance and ignorance..
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:05   #111
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I know lots of boats of all sizes and values where they barely know their Ass from their Elbow..
Reminds me of a skipper who ran aground (gently, on sand, no emergency at all) and called a commercial towing company to get him free & home (marina was just around the corner).

He could have tried to get himself free ... He could have used his radio and asked any of the many boats out that day for help. Could have called the local KNRM (free rescue service). Could have even called the marina.

He opted for the most expensive option - which he has every right to, of course. But guess what happened when he found out his insurance company wasn't paying for his stupidity? Doubt he even learned not to make that mistake again, probably switched carriers and the same thing will happen again
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I knew a guy who was softly grounded near high tide in the Newport river NC. The towing company came out and told them they had a problem and couldn't pull him off right now and would be back. They did come back six hours later at low tide then charged him for salvage because the boat was hard aground and squall was coming. He had towing insurance with the company, but they screwed him royally. He lost the boat because he could not pay the cost of the salvage.
Thanks for sharing that story. That's good information to have when it eventually happens to us, and I am sure at some point it will.
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My father bought his first yacht from someone who ran aground in the gently shoaling beach and just wanted off the boat at any low price. No damage really - just trouble. Floated off on the next high tide with a bit of a pull by a friend's trawler.

Too many reasons to just leave it to others. Maybe many don't have the skills we need to dabble in the water.

I wonder how many of us really know how to kedge off a sandbar, heel a deep keeler or have the gear to do so.

Perhaps salvors are onto a good thing.😃


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I think anyone with a boat understands the generally rapacious nature of the salvage industry.

Sure the high end is populated by reputable people with a worthy reputation but then there is the rest .

It would surely give me pause before agreeing to any casual offer of assistance. Especially in some two- bit country with a reputation for corruption or inadequate legal codes.

DIY IF you can.

I wonder what options the yacht at the heart of this thread had at the time.

Seeking alternative service?
Anchor, lighten ship and winch off?


How many of us carry the necessary gear to deploy in attempt to get out of trouble?

Heavier anchors? Wire cable? Dyneema instead of chain ?
Heavier winching gear?

Any thoughts from all you long distance cruisers?

Or just insurance?


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For me, anchoring, reducing weight and winching would probably have been the first alternative if my engine is not powerful enough. Anchor, rode and dinghy are sufficient for that.

Insurance is important too.

A twin keel boat would have been nice. If I'd sail regularly in shallow waters with tide, I might get a boat that can stand on dry land (twin keel or some other approach).

One option would be to drag the boat to the side from the top of the mast (or to use weights there to tilt the boat).

After reading this thread I know better what to do if self help is not enough.
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A twin keel boat would have been nice. If I'd sail regularly in shallow waters with tide, I might get a boat that can stand on dry land (twin keel or some other approach).
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A regular sight in the UK.. caught out by the tide.??
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Actually a cell phone is better, because you can easily record the entire call. Well, unless you have a US cell phone, where someone mysteriously has gone to great trouble to break that standard function in almost every phone. (Apple blocks it, but Android enables it in their OS, and somehow, only the US carriers provide phones where the Android OS is modified to block it.)
But there are often ways to make it possible, even on US phones.


Funny thing how people will tell you "We never could have told you that" and they go silent when you say "Yeah, you did. Do you want me to play the tape?".


Legality of recording a RADIO TRANSMISSION may vary with each venue. But as our own FCC gladly tells anyone, a "cell phone" is a computer and radio, and it is making a radio transmission, not a phone call. So various "call recording" laws do not apply, at least not here in the Colonies.
It's illegal to record a conversation in Florida without the permission of the other party. I do not know about other states, but it's state to state.
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It's illegal to record a conversation in Florida without the permission of the other party. I do not know about other states, but it's state to state.
I want to think in the US it may be Federal law, and the Germans took privacy so seriously that I'd be astonished if its not there too. I connected a couple of phones to the same line in my house in Germany as I wanted a phone on each level, then found out that was a pretty serious crime because if you had more than one phone connected to a line, someone could listen in.
I think they stopped the Google car that ran around taking photos pretty quickly too?
I'd be real careful recording a conversation
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It's illegal to record a conversation in Florida without the permission of the other party. I do not know about other states, but it's state to state.
It varies from state to state. In Texas, you can record a conversation if one side gives permission. So I could record any conversation I am on. However, if the person is in another state, that state may have a serious issue with it.
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