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Old 01-10-2013, 13:46   #16
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Re: Sailor Rescued off Tillamook

What a pussy.

Yes, I know I was not there and it's bad form to second guess another sailor's judgment, in absentia, regarding actions in a storm, but 30 knot winds and 20' seas? In a 40' boat, with no lee shore around? I think he just wanted a helicopter ride.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:02   #17
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Not coming to the skippers aid here but for a newby sailor that bloody area can get very rough seas and I can see why some folks want to get off their boats. It shouldn't be an option of course but it is and he made that choice.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:13   #18
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Re: Sailor Rescued off Tillamook

I've been there in 45 kt winds and 18'+ seas. This was s southern storm and blowing him north. If you get caught stay offshore to avoid the rougher seas from land bounce and round into the Straights of Juan de Fuca. Getting into Neah Bay can be done in any weather.

By the way. Those 18'+ seas sound like freight trains off the Oregon/Washington coast. We did it in a Cal 2-29 surfing at 11 to 13 knots. Only once did we plow into the wave ahead of us. It put water 3' up the mast.

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PS No comment on this skippers plight - I just do not know his situation.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:29   #19
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fromlatitude 38 today--

What an idiot, that storm had been forecast for days in advance, if he was not aware that it was coming he was negligent. If he knew it was coming and he continued on his way, he was incompetent. I hope the CG charges him for the rescue and I hope some needy salvage company finds his boat, intact.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:47   #20
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Re: Sailor Rescued off Tillamook

I was out there just 3 weeks ago in worse conditions (gusting to 43 kts), but this guy was alone and probably couldn't handle the boat by himself. But he should have checked the weather first. Now he's going to pay.......


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Got to wonder if he took someone's advice to "just get out there".
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Well. Some have not experienced bad weather on the water alone. How you will respond may be very different then how you think you will manage. The water and wind can be something that is just not in normal comprehension when looking out at the gentle ripple in harbor.
Not a rational choice to jump off the boat with sails up. Pretty sure he wasnt prepared for the experience. Maybe the boat was.
How did you prepare before you saw your first nasty **** the water can do. Are you made of something that can deal with multiple issues. Can you filter down and focus on one issue while other **** is failing. Can you make clear decisive choices. Can you alter the choices. Can you remain confident in your evaluation and choice appropriately?
Not going to knock the guy. Looks like he just found out that wind and water can kick your ass.
Probably should have found a better way to learn that.
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Folks... If you want to get rid of your boat... don't sail offshore and dump it... e-mail me and I'll come and collect it...
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I'll just keep inside the SF estuary.

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Boatman was born with a bad sea up his keel. So
He naturally understands a bad ride.
I found I was pretty much okay by just getting through some bad choices and doing the next task. Sometimes the next task was dumbing down. A technique I'm good at. And just trusting I did everything I could.
Jumping off a good boat and swimming away hopeful that One gets picked up by a helicopter is nuts. That guy had more then he could (key word) "RATIONALLY" take. He cracked. No name calling necessary.
It happens. I have seen some really cracked cases come in after being exposed off shore . Some folk do better then others. Very hard to tell who is going to go bonko and who won't.
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What a pussy.

Yes, I know I was not there and it's bad form to second guess another sailor's judgment, in absentia, regarding actions in a storm, but 30 knot winds and 20' seas? In a 40' boat, with no lee shore around? I think he just wanted a helicopter ride.
Neither you nor I were there, so we don't really know the situation. But if you're not already familiar with the story of Skip Allen and his boat Wildflower, you should look into it. Skip is twice the sailor that I am, and possibly you are, but he decided to scuttle his boat and climb aboard a freighter in conditions that sound similar to those off Tillamook. True, Wildflower was 27' long, but staying safe while singlehanding can be an ordeal on most boats.

What I'm saying (again) is to be careful about telling yourself "That wouldn't have happened to me, because I'm [smarter / more experienced / tougher] than that other guy was." Sometimes that's true, but occasionally it's not.
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Sometimes being tougher or just plain stubborn can get you DEAD!
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He was not tough or a pussy from the information I saw. He experienced a lack of ability that compromised his decision process.
Unless his plan was to go out sailing and jump off a still sailing boat. Mentally he was not prepared. Tough or pussy no difference. You won't know how you will behave unless you have tried yourself.
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if you're not already familiar with the story of Skip Allen and his boat Wildflower, you should look into it. .

Thanks for sharing that Paul. It did sound worse than this abandonment but the point is made.
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