Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-09-2006, 18:30   #1
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pblais's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hayes, VA
Boat: Gozzard 36
Posts: 8,700
Images: 15
Send a message via Skype™ to Pblais
Sailing off after Ernesto

The passing of a tropical Storm / Depression often makes for some good sailing. So after a terrible day waiting for Ernesto to pass over we leave on a short cruise across the Chesapeake to Cape Charles in the morning.

We did the same trip last fall when TS Tanny went by though we got screwed with 30 knots on the nose for three days after we screamed across on a close haul with 25 knots of wind and got stuck in Cape Charles. This time we bring with us more boats and more wine.
__________________

__________________
Paul Blais
s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36
37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W
Pblais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2006, 18:40   #2
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,525
Now that sounds like a GREAT way to spend some time! Let us know if you get some good wind. We had a few sailboats out in LI Sound this evening as Ernesto approached. We're under small craft right now and under gale later tonight.

I would have liked to get out in it just for some safe practice, but we have been working a lot lately and are too tired to sail at that level.

Have a great trip!
__________________

__________________
ssullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2006, 20:12   #3
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pblais's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hayes, VA
Boat: Gozzard 36
Posts: 8,700
Images: 15
Send a message via Skype™ to Pblais
The key is to wait untill after the storm passes. This morning we had 60 knots on the nose. I'm hopng for a broad reach at 15 knots in the morning. The chop on the lower Chesapeake will humble most any one.
__________________
Paul Blais
s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36
37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W
Pblais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2007, 02:44   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Israel
Boat: Southerly UK 37ft
Posts: 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pblais
The passing of a tropical Storm / Depression often makes for some good sailing. So after a terrible day waiting for Ernesto to pass over we leave on a short cruise across the Chesapeake to Cape Charles in the morning.

We did the same trip last fall when TS Tanny went by though we got screwed with 30 knots on the nose for three days after we screamed across on a close haul with 25 knots of wind and got stuck in Cape Charles. This time we bring with us more boats and more wine.
Hi Paul

..I have been saing 60 years now...currently a 37 ft sailing yacht in the Med.
there is one problem I have never solved, when it bows at night in the Greek island up to 50 kn, we ALWAYS drag..I have tried all types of anchors..no luck... the bottom in small pebles or small stones and the anchor drags like butter..with all the chain out 75 M of chain and 2 20 kg Bruce out...

???

Mike
__________________
migot1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2007, 06:58   #5
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pblais's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hayes, VA
Boat: Gozzard 36
Posts: 8,700
Images: 15
Send a message via Skype™ to Pblais
Quote:
one problem I have never solved, when it bows at night in the Greek island up to 50 kn, we ALWAYS drag..
After 20 knots it always starts to get tricky with anchors. When it's calm I find the weight of the anchor and chain rode alone will hold the boat.

It sounds like you never really get a good bite on the anchor. During a Thunderstorm I've have 50 knots with a 33ft boat, 33 lbs Bruce, and 120 ft of 10 mm chain in 16 feet of water hold just fine even after a few circles around the anchor. Here on the Chesapeake the mud is soft enough to penetrate and thick enough to bury quite deep. You almost always have to break out the anchor in the morning with the full force of the boat going forward to do so.

I would think you have more than enough anchor and chain, but are lacking the holding power on the bottom to use them. I suppose it's not easy to always find good holding ground everyplace you go. Some places may have none. I guess you do what you already do and throw everything you have with a rode in the water, wait and watch.
__________________
Paul Blais
s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36
37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W
Pblais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2007, 08:40   #6
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,584
Images: 240
No anchor will hold well with a flat rock or stony bottom - but an anchor which can “hook” the rocks might make the best of a difficult situation.

Often a grapnel type anchor (Luke, Herreshoff, or Yachtsman, etc) is recommended in these situations (but the better choice is to find another anchorage if possible).

The yachtsman anchor has two heavy, pointed flukes, one of which will grab onto a rocky outcropping or stones, and hold on. A crossbar will keep one of the flukes in contact with the bottom.

The primary weakness of the design is its ability to foul the rode over changing winds & tides. Once fouled the anchor is likely to drag. Alco, the shape is generally not very compact, and is difficult to handle & stow.

If you are considering a Yachtsman anchor, remember that they rely on the geometry of the arms to work. A small fisherman won’t be big enough to grab a large rock and the palms will be too small to offer any holding. You need a BIG Yachtsman.

I used to often anchor in 20 - 40 feet of cold & dark (Lake Superior) water, over "cannon ball" rock. My moderately sized Danforth never failed me. I believe my success could be attributed to a very careful anchor setting regime.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Anchors-yachtsman.gif
Views:	222
Size:	4.8 KB
ID:	1479  
__________________

__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is sailing for me? sun50 General Sailing Forum 9 08-09-2006 04:22
Lessons sluissa General Sailing Forum 15 12-05-2006 05:57
Yacht Charter Company Sunsail Earns "Outstanding" Award CaptainK The Library 0 10-04-2006 20:15
Getting in Shape for Sailing Season Sonosailor General Sailing Forum 0 23-06-2004 06:11
Portal sailing website project CaptainTom Meets & Greets 2 20-03-2003 07:50



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:36.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.