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25-02-2015, 04:39
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
Boat: Morris 1996 46' Lexington
Posts: 382
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Sail trim
I need to read and study a real good book on sail trim. I have had a boat since 2008 but I am not as sharp as I should be. I also do not know enough to know when someone is full of it. I may do the World ARC so I need to sharpen up on down wind sailing and rigging for down wind.
Suggestions?
RDW
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25-02-2015, 05:20
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Winters cruising; summers Chesapeake Bay
Boat: Catana 471
Posts: 1,239
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Re: Sail trim
I keep a copy of this on the boat (even though it doesn't have much on cruising cats and is a bit dated) but I still refer to it frequently. It should be a terrific reference to any mono sailor, IMHO.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sail-Trim.../dp/1574091190
A good way to learn sail trim is to race. Get a crew spot on a boat and you'll learn a lot.
Dave
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25-02-2015, 06:27
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ohio
Boat: Now boatless :-(
Posts: 11,580
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Re: Sail trim
I took a North Sails class that was really great. They also have a good website describing sail trim although nothing really available on downwind sailing.
North Sails: Mainsail Trim - Introduction
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27-02-2015, 09:21
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Santa Monica, CA
Boat: Club Sailor; various
Posts: 922
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Re: Sail trim
I've read a number of books and countless articles on the subject. Book I always recommend to those who are interested is:
Illustrated Sail & Rig Tuning by Ivar Dedekam.
Available on Amazon.com
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27-02-2015, 09:56
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S/V rubber ducky
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: heading "south"
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 20,362
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Re: Sail trim
I used to have a book "Sail Trim for Cruisers". I liked it because it was short to the point with pictures.
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27-02-2015, 10:10
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
Posts: 10,451
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Re: Sail trim
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1
I used to have a book "Sail Trim for Cruisers". I liked it because it was short to the point with pictures.
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Sail Trim for Cruisers! That's awesome...................gessus.
I did get a good lesson in Pensacola though watching a cruiser. He was headed out the pass and he just let his jib flap around for about 30 minutes until he turn South to head out the pass.
Then the jib filled and I believe he stayed on that course for days...................I know he did until he was outta sight.
If your not racing, for downwind just open the barn doors all the way and then relax.
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27-02-2015, 13:58
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Annapolis, MD
Boat: Sail any boats from 28 to 60 ft
Posts: 577
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Re: Sail trim
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFrog75
I've read a number of books and countless articles on the subject. Book I always recommend to those who are interested is:
Illustrated Sail & Rig Tuning by Ivar Dedekam.
Available on Amazon.com
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x100. I found their Illustrated series book are very good. I have most of their books. Good easy read and learn.
http://www.amazon.com/Sail-Rig-Tunin...%26+Rig+Tuning
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27-02-2015, 14:21
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Manchester, UK
Boat: Beneteau 473
Posts: 5,589
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Re: Sail trim
There is a shed load of sail trim tutorials on Youtube.
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Beneteau 473
Manchester, UK
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28-02-2015, 04:14
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 277
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Re: Sail trim
Your sail inventory will also dictate the rigging needed when going down wind. I believe this to be the most difficult points of sail as you must keep constant watch to wind shifts, boat motion, back winding the main, and sailing by the lee which can cause uncontrollable gybes. You will only "read" so much. DOING is what will teach you. Do you still have the Morris 46? Wonderful boats and should be equipped with all necessary rigging. Certainly a local sail maker will be able to help you, or mostly any sailor who has raced or a cruising sailor. You need to find someone local to go over the boat and go sailing with you.
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28-02-2015, 11:13
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,687
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Re: Sail trim
I love DDW sailing, and have done thousands of miles, but it was almost all with a windvane steering. If I had to hand steer, or have a crew that I wasnt very sure of, then DDW would be much more worrysome. An auto pilot with a wind sensor would work , but I look at them as somewhat less reliable than a windvane and if you have an electrical problem, they are useless. Vangs, preventers, and as good a set up as you can get for your poles, will make life so much easier. Much will depend on the size of your crew, and their experience. I am a mom and pop type cruiser, but if your are serious about racing RTW, then I would suggest crewing on as many large racing boats as you can before you start outfitting yours for racing. My last boat was 44 foot , 30000 lbs, and the Aries steered it fine in 30+ winds DDW. Best of Luck. ____Grant.
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28-02-2015, 11:55
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Annapolis, MD
Boat: Sail any boats from 28 to 60 ft
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Re: Sail trim
Quote:
Originally Posted by D.D.
I believe this to be the most difficult points of sail as you must keep constant watch to wind shifts, boat motion, back winding the main, and sailing by the lee which can cause uncontrollable gybes.
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I really depends on how you setting up you boat and the location. DDW can be easy and boring, can you image sailing 20 days DDW?
Crew: Captain, good morningggg, are we there yet?
Me sitting down play with my fingers: No, not yet, but another in paradise.
Crew: What direction are we going?
Me: West
Crew: Where is the wind
Me: Same as two weeks ago. Behind us at 15 plus minus
Oh yeah, Hydrovane is good
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01-03-2015, 06:47
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 49,129
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Re: Sail trim
"Sail Power: THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO SAILS AND SAIL HANDLING"
by Wallace Ross & Carl Chapman
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02-03-2015, 12:03
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 277
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Re: Sail trim
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay
"Sail Power: THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO SAILS AND SAIL HANDLING"
by Wallace Ross & Carl Chapman
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+1 This is an outstanding book and covers a-lot of topics.
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09-03-2015, 07:28
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
Boat: Morris 1996 46' Lexington
Posts: 382
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Re: Sail trim
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Hulls
I keep a copy of this on the boat (even though it doesn't have much on cruising cats and is a bit dated) but I still refer to it frequently. It should be a terrific reference to any mono sailor, IMHO.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sail-Trim.../dp/1574091190
A good way to learn sail trim is to race. Get a crew spot on a boat and you'll learn a lot.
Dave
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This is a good book. I am about 2/3 thru it but will go back and study. It was inexpensive on Amazon.
Thanks for the recommendation.
RDW
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09-03-2015, 07:51
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: daytona beach florida
Boat: csy 37
Posts: 2,976
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Re: Sail trim
We could do DDW coming back from the Bahamas to central Florida, but I prefer to take it off the quarter. Two days of sailing, mostly in the Gulf Stream, wind and waves from aft, CPT Autopilot doing the hard work.....
Wallace Ross is good reading but a bit long for a casual sailor.
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