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Old 23-12-2009, 04:42   #1
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Angry Safe Dinghy Operation

Charlotte Amalia harbor, St. Thomas

I had a difficult time aloft yesterday. Mainly from roll and pitch from dinghies hauling ass through the anchorage and throwing off large wakes. Now I don't think some people do this on purpose. But they could pay attention a little more and slow down when they see someone aloft. Besides this, it is dangerous behavior. What if someone was snorkeling their anchor, or some other reason for being in the water. At a high rate of speed it is easy to be on top of someone in a heart beat as you come around an anchored boat. I had a captain friend of mine who was seriously injured from a runabout taking people water skiing....in the ANCHORAGE! Plus you are responsible for any damage that is done by your wake in an anchorage. So please slow down and pay attention when you are in amongst boats, whether it is an "approved" anchorage or not.
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Old 23-12-2009, 04:54   #2
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I'm fortunate to be on a drying berth for my aloft work.
I hate to think what aloft in swell is like when unavoidable.
On a pontoon recently in the Cowes entrance, the number of fat mono's, with skippers to match, that can't be bothered to be polite.
I was under the boat trying to sort a gearbox linkage on my Sillette drive. Jusy had to get out every time a boat approached. And that's not an option aloft.
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Old 23-12-2009, 05:09   #3
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i dont think many dinks throw a wake big enough to cause harm, just a pain in the ass, and disrespectful-
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Just when you think you've seen the worst...

Last summer an idiot in a 24-26' wake board boat decided to tow his kids around the anchorage weaving between the anchored boats. When asked to buggar off, he replied he had a right to the smooth water. Absolutely no clue how dangerous what he was doing was. And he has the Canadian Boat Operator's Card, so he must be right!

There seems to be a tremendous lack of common sense and even less courtesy between people nowadays, not just on the water, but everywhere. It is truly sad.
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Charlotte Amalia harbor, St. Thomas

I had a difficult time aloft yesterday. Mainly from roll and pitch from dinghies hauling ass through the anchorage and throwing off large wakes. Now I don't think some people do this on purpose. But they could pay attention a little more and slow down when they see someone aloft. Besides this, it is dangerous behavior. What if someone was snorkeling their anchor, or some other reason for being in the water. At a high rate of speed it is easy to be on top of someone in a heart beat as you come around an anchored boat. I had a captain friend of mine who was seriously injured from a runabout taking people water skiing....in the ANCHORAGE! Plus you are responsible for any damage that is done by your wake in an anchorage. So please slow down and pay attention when you are in amongst boats, whether it is an "approved" anchorage or not.
I think your final comment says a lot. If it is not an "approved" anchorage why can't you water ski and why would you expect to be able to anchor there without disturbance. I don't know where in the harbor you were but it is a recreational area. Planes take off in there, big cruise ships and ferries come and go. Yes it is a nice place to anchor and I have been there myself many times but you can't expect to have it to yourself just because others join you in anchoring there. I am not condoning bad dinghy behavior. It would have been nice for people to see you and slow down out of courtesy. But it would have been a courtesy. There is really no expectation that others can't use the harbor for their recreation just like you use it for yours.

It also gets real quiet later in the day after the cruise ships leave.

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Old 23-12-2009, 11:46   #7
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There is nothing to stop you having a floating 'messenger' line between you and the next boat in line in the anchorage that just happens to be deployed when said wake board towing boat passes by Perhaps you could have a couple of cans of beer in one of those string bags attached in the middle

The boat was moving too fast to get it out of the way your honour. I just never expected someone to drive their boat so dangerously

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Divers Flags...

My understanding is that divers flags should be flown when diving.

It may be possible to mark out an area of safe operation, maybe using multiple anchored flagged buoys and polypropylene rope and floats.

That's what they do in Thailand (sans flags) to keep the local boats out of the swimming areas.

The rope should, of course, be large enough not to readily wrap round a small propeller.

There are also flags (R & Y together) to indicate no wake as maintenance in progress. These could also be flown in the same way. Some locals fly them upside down but they should have the same meaning.
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Old 24-12-2009, 07:10   #9
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I think your final comment says a lot. If it is not an "approved" anchorage why can't you water ski and why would you expect to be able to anchor there without disturbance. I don't know where in the harbor you were but it is a recreational area. Planes take off in there, big cruise ships and ferries come and go. Yes it is a nice place to anchor and I have been there myself many times but you can't expect to have it to yourself just because others join you in anchoring there. I am not condoning bad dinghy behavior. It would have been nice for people to see you and slow down out of courtesy. But it would have been a courtesy. There is really no expectation that others can't use the harbor for their recreation just like you use it for yours.

It also gets real quiet later in the day after the cruise ships leave.

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Jim,
I must respectfully disagree. I am anchored up close to Yacht Haven. It is an approved anchorage. And this applies:

"It is illegal to operate a vessel at greater than no wake speed within the restricted areas (such as mooring and anchoring areas) designated within the harbors and bays of the U.S. Virgin Islands."


Copied and pasted from VI boating regs.


Technically speaking, if there is not a law against something, you can do it. But does that make it the smart thing to do? And do we want more regulations than we have now. That's what we get when we as a community don't use some common sense and courtesy. I'm not required to give out courtesies, but I do it all the time.

If I was anchored out in an area commonly used for water skiing, or other recreational activites then I wouldn't expect other boaters to give up there recreation. I'm talking about well known and used anchorages. Not all are "approved", but they are there just the same.
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Jim,
I must respectfully disagree. I am anchored up close to Yacht Haven. It is an approved anchorage. And this applies:

"It is illegal to operate a vessel at greater than no wake speed within the restricted areas (such as mooring and anchoring areas) designated within the harbors and bays of the U.S. Virgin Islands."


Copied and pasted from VI boating regs.


Technically speaking, if there is not a law against something, you can do it. But does that make it the smart thing to do? And do we want more regulations than we have now. That's what we get when we as a community don't use some common sense and courtesy. I'm not required to give out courtesies, but I do it all the time.

If I was anchored out in an area commonly used for water skiing, or other recreational activites then I wouldn't expect other boaters to give up there recreation. I'm talking about well known and used anchorages. Not all are "approved", but they are there just the same.
Sorry, being in a designated anchorage is different. I have never been close enough to be in the "anchorage" and since your post mentioned it not being an "approved" anchorage I assumed you were far out like I usually ended up staying. I haven't been there on a boat since the new marina has finished though so maybe it is a lot better now. There used to be a bunch of "permanent" boats up close and most of the transients were out by all the boats coming and going and expecting calm out there was wishful thinking.

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Still working out the design for my remote-control submersible log :-)

Seriously, though, I hear you but think you're fighting a losing battle. Been sailing into, out of, and around Charlotte Amalie and the Virgins for over 40 years. The harbor has always been a mess....wakes from ferries, seaplanes, cruise ships, dingies, a variety of commercial watercraft and, of course, the wind-driven waves. Can't be any fun atop the mast on a 28-footer.

Maybe next time you could find a quieter place to climb the mast? Christmas Cove? Francis Bay or Maho? Leinster Bay? Sopers Hole? The Bight? Nanny Cay? VG Yacht Harbour? Savannah Bay? North Sound? There's lots of 'em....just gotta get there :-)

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