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DumnMad · 27-08-2017, 16:15

Another cat on a reef.

British family rescued by NZ ketch after stranding in South Pacific Ocean - NZ Herald

DumnMad · 28-08-2017, 03:59

More. Night-time approach to an Island, tragic but lucky, wishing them a satisfactory recovery.
Sure reinforces the cautious approach and advice given by the Cates, Evans, and others.

British family of 4 rescued from remote South Pacific reef | Daily Mail Online

Paul L · 28-08-2017, 14:27

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Originally Posted by DumnMad

More. Night-time approach to an Island, tragic but lucky, wishing them a satisfactory recovery.
Sure reinforces the cautious approach and advice given by the Cates, Evans, and others.

British family of 4 rescued from remote South Pacific reef | Daily Mail Online

This is not an island, it is a remote reef/atoll. Going in at night for the first time would be suicidal with my navigation skills. The pictures in the article look like file photos of Niue, which is a long way away.

fxykty · 28-08-2017, 14:45

And every electronic chart I checked (Navionics, NZ BSB in OpenCPN, iSailor app), as well as my SE Pacific Ocean paper chart show Beveridge Reef as "Rep to lie 3 miles NE". So the position is who knows where, but likely within a circle of 5 miles of the charted position.

Possibly, as we have no information about what actually happened, we may have another example of an electronic navigator putting all their faith in the picture on the screen.

For everyone reading this, if you're heading for a bit of barely visible reef in open ocean, stay well away (as in 10-15 miles) until broad daylight and good visibility, then approach with caution. If not heading for it, give it 10s of miles of clearance. And don't set passage waypoints at the mouth of the pass that you're heading for or right next to the island/reef you need to pass.

**Jim Cate** · 28-08-2017, 16:33

Interesting coincidence: back in 1990 we were working our way across the South Pacific. We had a current Sat-nav on board, but it was having difficulties. We were on passage, intending to stop at Beveridge. The Sat-nav gave up the ghost when we were some 100 miles from our "landfall". Suddenly, as we reverted to celestial navigation, the game changed from "find and approach the reef" to "be sure to avoid the reef by a fair margin". We avoided Beveridge and made successful landfall at Niue, a much easier target.

Nowadays, if we were trying to approach a destination that was noted to be of uncertain location on the chart, I'd be looking at one of the satellite view services to confirm the location.

Jim

**estarzinger** · 28-08-2017, 16:44

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Originally Posted by fxykty

And every electronic chart I checked (Navionics, NZ BSB in OpenCPN, iSailor app), as well as my SE Pacific Ocean paper chart

Does anyone have a good detailed (official sourced) chart of Beveridge reef they could scan/photo and post here (along with the details of the source/date)? I would like to give Navionics a correction.

Paul L · 28-08-2017, 16:47

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Originally Posted by estarzinger

Does anyone have a good detailed (official sourced) chart of Beveridge reef they could scan/photo and post here (along with the details of the source/date)? I would like to give Navionics a correction.

I've seen this one floating around the cruiser community

gbgreen59 · 28-08-2017, 17:14

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Originally Posted by Paul L

I've seen this one floating around the cruiser community

It looks to me like Google Earth and Navionics agree with these coordinates.

fxykty · 28-08-2017, 17:21

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Originally Posted by gbgreen59

It looks to me like Google Earth and Navionics agree with these coordinates.

Google Earth finds it at 20.03 S and 167.87 W, but doesn't have any visual. Weird.

gbgreen59 · 28-08-2017, 17:23

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Originally Posted by fxykty

Google Earth finds it at 20.03 S and 167.87 W, but doesn't have any visual. Weird.

Yes, I was "ball parking" it based on the vague formations from Google Earth.

**estarzinger** · 28-08-2017, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Paul L

I've seen this one floating around the cruiser community

Thanks, yea I have that and a couple other sketch charts. But Navionics is much happier with an official chart with professional survey. The lat/log offset does not matter. That is easy to show/correct, but they are usually a bit reluctant to take amateur survey/soundings data.

I dont have an 'official' paper or raster detail of this particular spot - just wondering if anyone else here does. I can go buy one if I need to.

Paul L · 28-08-2017, 20:30

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Originally Posted by estarzinger

Thanks, yea I have that and a couple other sketch charts. But Navionics is much happier with an official chart with professional survey. The lat/log offset does not matter. That is easy to show/correct, but they are usually a bit reluctant to take amateur survey/soundings data.

I dont have an 'official' paper or raster detail of this particular spot - just wondering if anyone else here does. I can go buy one if I need to.

There is a more formal version of the chart on page 18 of this PDF along with a recommendation for the Kiwis to survey it
https://www.iho.int/mtg_docs/CB/CBA/...ent-Report.pdf

double u · 29-08-2017, 02:12

what did they intend, enter in darkness???

**JPA Cate** · 29-08-2017, 03:10

I have no idea what their intentions were, nor is there yet any indication of what navigation sources they were using. 50' cat, large, rough seas, 2 kids aboard. Very sad for that family.

Ann