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Old 05-03-2015, 08:49   #16
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If it can be presented on a family forum - may we see this procedure?
I will dig up some photos I took a while back (of the Zeppelin that is )..

I forgot to add that it is one of the rare knots that just needs a simple yank to dress (even the bowline fails in this regard and can jam appallingly if load is put on quickly if not dressed).
It can even be used for lines of vastly different diameter with a very slight modification.
AND that's not all - it can be untied easily even after major load (eg joining two snubber lines together when the snubber needs to be extended quickly in a blow).

And did I mention how reliable it is?

Can you tell I am a fan?
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The zeppelin is similar to the Carrick bend in use. I'm more familiar with the Carrick bend, but I wonder if it works with ropes that are different sizes. I'm also interested In seeing this "69" method.

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The knot I use most would have to be the bowline. ...
One of the few places you'll encounter a bowline is aboard a boat, and that's probably because everybody knows it's a sailor's knot. It's not especially strong, can slip if not under tension, and is impossible to untie under strain. One of the few places you'll find a bowline aboard a traditional sailing ship is on the leech of a square sail, when sailing a constant course close to the wind. (The side you'd normally think of as a luff.) And it's actually the line that's called a bowline, it could be made off with several sorts of knots.

Outside of that, what other unique role does a bowline fill? (And how's that for being provocative?)
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:54   #19
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The zeppelin is similar to the Carrick bend in use. I'm more familiar with the Carrick bend, but I wonder if it works with ropes that are different sizes. I'm also interested In seeing this "69" method.
The Carrick is particularly fantastic for really hefty ropes. It is, however, not great if lines are of different diameter (the bigger the difference, the worse it performs).

I find I really only use it now when tying a diamond head for a soft shackle.

I will find photos of how to tie the Zep easily in a sec.

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Re: Knots

Most frequent are Bowline and Running Hitch. Favorite is probably the Zeppelin because the finished product is so asthetically pleasing - ("look what I did.."). Knot I've never used because I haven't needed it but seems like it could come in handy would be the Trucker's Hitch.

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OK, here goes in just 4 easy steps:

STEP 1:
Remember '69' .


This isn't quite enough though. As you would expect, technique is important as well .

There are 4 different combinations possible of passing the tail over or under the standing parts.

Simply remember "Up and Under" for your right hand ie for the '9': the tail goes Up to form the loop and passes Under the standing part.

The left tail ie the '6' does the opposite, therefore it goes down and over. This is no harder to remember than rabbits coming out of burrows and going around trees. Eventually it will just become engrained in your muscle memory.

Your thumbs and forefingers hold the 6 and 9 in place at the junctions, or just grasp it firmly in your fist.
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STEP 2:
Place the circular portion the '6' on top of the '9' (ie left on right), so in sequence it reads '69'.


In time this becomes habit, but initially just make sure the tails end up on the outside (not both sandwiched on the inside as they would if you put the 9 on top of the 6).
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STEP 3:
Feed the tails through the resulting single hole in opposite directions.


There is only one way in which this can occur: the top tail has to go away from you and through the hole towards you; the bottom tail comes towards you and through the hole away from you. If you try it the other way everything absolutely collapses, you just end up with two loose ends. So it is impossible to get this bit wrong.

Make sure you leave the tails poking out a decent amount (for security).
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STEP 4:
Yank on the two standing parts (the bits the load will be applied to).


Unless you are using extremely stiff line that needs to be coaxed a little, this yank just somehow miraculously dresses (ie tightens up) the knot beautifully without any fussing.
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You use different knots for different situations. There is no one knot that covers all situations.

For boats, the most commonly used knot is probably the cleat hitch. From what I have seen, a lot of boaters do not know how to tie a proper cleat hitch.
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One of the few places you'll encounter a bowline is aboard a boat, and that's probably because everybody knows it's a sailor's knot. It's not especially strong, can slip if not under tension, and is impossible to untie under strain. One of the few places you'll find a bowline aboard a traditional sailing ship is on the leech of a square sail, when sailing a constant course close to the wind. (The side you'd normally think of as a luff.) And it's actually the line that's called a bowline, it could be made off with several sorts of knots.

Outside of that, what other unique role does a bowline fill? (And how's that for being provocative?)
You forgot to add that it can shake loose if load is applied and released before significant load had been initially applied (I found that one out the hard way a few times - you'd think I would have learned after the first instance ).

If it is important that the bowline is secure, I always add a Yosemite finish. A member here introduced me to that one, for which I am forever grateful .

Despite all the drawbacks with it, I still think it is the best end-line loop when you need one.

Do you have a better end-line loop in mind?

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Wow that is much easier! Thank you for such a nice display. Now I have two new knots to work on the zeppelin, and the one handed bowling.

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The knot I use most is two half hitches. Super easy to tie one handed and very versatile.

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Bowline not bowling. Some times I hate auto correct. Most of the time I love it.

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You forgot to add that it can shake loose if load is applied and released before significant load had been initially applied (I found that one out the hard way a few times - you'd think I would have learned after the first instance ).

If it is important that the bowline is secure, I always add a Yosemite finish. A member here introduced me to that one, for which I am forever grateful .

Despite all the drawbacks with it, I still think it is the best end-line loop when you need one.

Do you have a better end-line loop in mind?

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An eyesplice, properly seized! A round turn and two half-hitches. A quickie/jiffy/marline loop. A hangman's noose.

Lots of "best" knots. Where is the bowline ever better?
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