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Old 02-02-2013, 08:01   #31
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

In common usage the term "offshore" is very vague and way over used IMHO.

As pointed out in a prior post, there are official legal definitions of what this "offshore" and "near coastal" mean under both Canadian and USA regulations (and a number of other countries too I assume).

Personally, I prefer the legal definitions because they are unambiguous and relevant for legal/insurance purposes whereas the extremely vague and subjective common usage is none of the above.
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

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If you have to ask the question whether you are offshore or not, you aren't.

Growing up in South Florida the test for me was when the water turned from green to blue. Once you got into the Gulf Stream there was a much different feel and, at least for me, there was no doubt I was offshore.
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

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In common usage the term "offshore" is very vague and way over used IMHO.

As pointed out in a prior post, there are official legal definitions of what this "offshore" and "near coastal" mean under both Canadian and USA regulations (and a number of other countries too I assume).

Personally, I prefer the legal definitions because they are unambiguous and relevant for legal/insurance purposes whereas the extremely vague and subjective common usage is none of the above.
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--- In general Hawk's Channel is suppose to be about five miles off shore ----
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I lived in the keys for a number of years. Hawk Channel was considered to be in between the reef and the keys. It offered calmer conditions than outside the reef.
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

When I'm sailing between Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie, off in the middle of the inland sea known as Lake Superior, the shore can be 70 nm north or south of me, and well over 120 nm east or west. No land in sight. No one to help if things go wrong.

So, am I "offshore"?
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So far out that all the Beneteaus have sunk and only the double enders with paper charts remain afloat.
Now that IS funny.
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I lived in the keys for a number of years. Hawk Channel was considered to be in between the reef and the keys. It offered calmer conditions than outside the reef.

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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

lot of thought going into the answer

but once you are too far to swim in or for those of shore to see you waving to get their attention it just doesn't seem to matter much anymore

personally I feel better once I get away from the dangerous shore lines
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I lived in the keys for a number of years. Hawk Channel was considered to be in between the reef and the keys. It offered calmer conditions than outside the reef.
My bad.

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I like GrowleyMonsters description the best... +1... cheers, Phil
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

Sounds like the article mentioned in the OP was from people seeking status from other boaters. Had a guy years back who helped me on a boat delivery from Seattle to Long Beach in January, and he later boasted of a "North Pacific in January" delivery.

The best sailors I've ever sailed with did little boasting, just did the job quietly and in a highly competent fashion. No hyperbole needed.
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Re: How OffShore to be an 'Offshore" passage?

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If you want "legal" definitions, these are from Transport Canada. The US has probably has similar one:
Quote: The four new voyage classifications are:
I have to ask the question, why does Transport Canada even have to come up with these classifications? And how do they even apply to recreational boaters?
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