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Old 18-07-2013, 00:35   #46
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I wonder if the OP has any more questions?
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Old 18-07-2013, 01:57   #47
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I wonder if the OP has any more questions?
Perhaps the op never really had a question but was instead seeking validation? Seems to me like the OP has chosen to snip at anyone who didn't agree with him. But, what do I know? I'm just another silly landlubber that wastes her time dreaming.

Fair winds, calm waters and safe travel to everyone. ; )
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Old 18-07-2013, 04:02   #48
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Aloha Rakuflames,

You've made some very good points and in particular the point of how each boat has different characteristics that need to be considered.

Just a comment about the use of your analogy. Since being an old sailing instructor I like to use proper terminology. When you said third sail it invoked a visceral response in me so I just wanted to point that out to you so you can either internalize that or ignore it.

Freeboard acting like a sail is not actually being a sail. You can use your freeboard and bare poles to sail with but they are not truly sails.

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You don't have to like it, but sailing vernacular does not extend to analogies, sorry.

Explaining it as a sail helps people on my boat understand it. If anyone spent any time correcting my language they'd be off at the next port. We all need to work together on a boat, and trying to control people's analogies is, IMO, over the top.
The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.

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Old 18-07-2013, 12:35   #49
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The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.

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Ok, I understand that you don't care about what I said and I do understand that English is a messy language. Nouns can be confused with verbs. My definition of a sail is different from your definition.

When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification.
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Old 18-07-2013, 13:24   #50
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John,

"When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification."

Yes! I surely do agree with you.

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Old 18-07-2013, 13:32   #51
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So now I know that a motor boat only has one sail.

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Do you think that means a power cat has two sails?
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Old 18-07-2013, 14:24   #52
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The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.

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Sure. And, no analogy is perfect. But it's an easy and quick way to get people sailing with me to pay attention to that effect.
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Ok, I understand that you don't care about what I said and I do understand that English is a messy language. Nouns can be confused with verbs. My definition of a sail is different from your definition.

When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification.

My gracious, John -- did someone tell you how to instruct your students? Slap them silly!
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Old 18-07-2013, 15:25   #54
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My boat apparently heaves quite well with just the staysail and no main at all. I have not done this personally, but apparently it works quite well in some conditions.

I would certainly argue that any Bermuda rig boat that can sail, can heave to quite readily. Not necessarily in all conditions, but in many.
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My gracious, John -- did someone tell you how to instruct your students? Slap them silly!
Not legal any more but, of course, for you I could make an exception.
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Not legal any more but, of course, for you I could make an exception.

And I've never slapped a teacher, but some are so bad at it they should be. Not referring to anyone in particular, of course.
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Does hive to work also on a Catamaran or Trimaran?
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Perhaps the op never really had a question but was instead seeking validation? Seems to me like the OP has chosen to snip at anyone who didn't agree with him. But, what do I know? I'm just another silly landlubber that wastes her time dreaming.

Fair winds, calm waters and safe travel to everyone. ; )
Does OP mean the Original Poster or, am I wrong? I did not snip on anyone. The back and forth of this discussion has become very confusing to me and I realized, there are only a few comments really informative, the rest is back and forth. Since I am cruising and my day is basicly make the boat ready, look where to go, if Panama, Rio Dulce or wherever my desires lead me, I read the postings, find some very interesting and others I overgo very fast. But I haven´t snipped on anyone, nore made any kind of attack to somebody.

This, as far as I understand I iniciated the thread and therefore, I am the "Original Poster" (OP). Maybe, as english is not my native language, I understood this one wrong?

Anyway, I thank like all the time to each and everyone for answers, since I ALWAYS learn something.... some related to the issue..... some others not..... but I learn...
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Does OP mean the Original Poster or, am I wrong? I did not snip on anyone. The back and forth of this discussion has become very confusing to me and I realized, there are only a few comments really informative, the rest is back and forth. Since I am cruising and my day is basicly make the boat ready, look where to go, if Panama, Rio Dulce or wherever my desires lead me, I read the postings, find some very interesting and others I overgo very fast. But I haven´t snipped on anyone, nore made any kind of attack to somebody.

This, as far as I understand I iniciated the thread and therefore, I am the "Original Poster" (OP). Maybe, as english is not my native language, I understood this one wrong?

Anyway, I thank like all the time to each and everyone for answers, since I ALWAYS learn something.... some related to the issue..... some others not..... but I learn...

No, you have not done anytying wrong here. OP does mean "original poster."
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Does hive to work also on a Catamaran or Trimaran?
I used our club Wharram Catamaran for training purposes a few sessions and could not get it to heave to. I don't know if it was just that boat, a Wharram 23, or catamarans in general.

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