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Old 08-08-2016, 20:08   #1
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So i have an almost 6ft keel on my 35ft warrior, at what speed will it begin to heel noticeably? Rough estimate

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Old 08-08-2016, 20:57   #2
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Re: Heeling

You mean wind speed? Boat speed doesn't cause heeling, sailing into the wind does. How much is also affected by how much sail is up/whether you are reefed. You'll be doing hull speed by then :-) I think we need more info.
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You can heel it right on over with nearly no forward speed.... Close haul with the boat broadside to the wind. It'll tip right on over.
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Re: Heeling

Well don't want that to happen lol. Not sure what my hull speed is. Can't find any info on the trident warrior

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Old 08-08-2016, 23:10   #5
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Re: Heeling

Probably about 8kts of breeze, & 3kts+ boat speed. Though if you want her to move better in less wind than that, put people on the low side to help heel her over.
Also, pretty much anything much past 30 deg, consistently, & it's time to reef.

Since she's narrow, & has a shallow keel, initially she'll be tender, but will harden up at about 25 deg +/- (yep, educated guess of an insomniac).

PS: Did you not take her for a test sail prior to purchase? So that you know how she heels over.
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if the wind's behind you, you won't heel. If it's on your beam and you have let the sail out to the luffing point, you might have a little heel. This will increase as the wind increases. To manage, let the sail out more or reef it. If the wind is at the closest point you can sail upwind in, it will heel significantly. To help reduce it, pull the sails as flat as you can and centre them. If you're still heeling too much, reef the sails.
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Bought the boat on the hard.. and it was repowered with a yanmar three years ago. Finishing up resanding the bottom and new bottom paint this weekend. Gonna have her in water by end of September

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if the wind's behind you, you won't heel. If it's on your beam and you have let the sail out to the luffing point, you might have a little heel. This will increase as the wind increases. To manage, let the sail out more or reef it. If the wind is at the closest point you can sail upwind in, it will heel significantly. To help reduce it, pull the sails as flat as you can and centre them. If you're still heeling too much, reef the sails.
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Heeling will vary wildly depending on your heading relative to the wind, hull style (flat bottom hulls will heel less in light conditions), if you are reefed.


If it's a smaller boat with a narrow hull, you will notice it heel when you step from the dock onto the gunnel.


Usually it's worst if you have full sail up and are going to windward. It would typically be least running downwind.
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Good general information above. As to your particular boat...

It has a ratio of sail area to displacement that is only 13.1. That's pretty low. That would normally indicate a boat that is not going to go very fast, especially in light winds, and also will not need to be reefed terribly early.

On the other hand, the beam is rather narrow for a boat of this size, and as far as I can tell the hull shape is pretty rounded. That would generally indicate a boat that will heel easily, at least for the first few degrees.

On the OTHER, other hand, the ballast to displacement ratio is over 41%, which is on the high side, and will help to resist heeling. The capsize number is 1.8, which indicates a strong resistance to capsizing and/or quick recovery. Based on that (combined with the low SA/D ratio) my guess is that the boat would be pretty resistant to being knocked down.

Which is all just the long way to say, the heeling may worry you, but I think it would take some awfully serious conditions for this boat to heel over so far that you were in any real danger. Go out and enjoy it, and good luck.
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So i have an almost 6ft keel on my 35ft warrior, at what speed will it begin to heel noticeably? Rough estimate

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So you own this boat and sail it yet you don't know at what speed and in what conditions it heels?
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Re: Heeling

Define "noticeable". I can notice 1 degree, which happens at about 1 knot of wind. The question is meaningless, so the answers are likely to be equally so.
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Angle of heel has nothing to do with wind speed and everything to do with how much sail you are carrying at the time. Get out there and experiment with different sail combinations.


That boat's hull speed is 6.8 knots.

One tip: older skinny boats are quite happy heeling more than the newer fat boats
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"Angle of heel has nothing to do with wind speed"

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