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Old 03-03-2014, 15:20   #196
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You keep dodging the issue. The implication was you NEED to sail and sail as much as possible to get the full or best experieince of "cruising".

Change it to an auxiliary sailboat, motorsailor or whatever you cruise in and it's just as applicable. While some prefer to sail, others prefer to use the modern reliable internal combustion engine when it makes sense.

I suspect some of the issue is people are using "sailing" and "cruising" as interchangable terms, which is a false assumption.
Not dodging anything.

You replied to Lin Pardey's quote where she specifically used the word sail (5th word in your capture of the quote). Your reply brought up motor vessels and trawlers. The jist of my reply is how do you sail a trawler? Is someone who drives a trawler a sailor?

No dodging at all. Perhaps a round about way of asking for clarification, but no evasion.

I personally don't care if someone uses an engine or not. Everyone has their own comfort levels. As long as you feel confident in what you are doing and your equipment, motor, sail or row, it's up to you. There isn't a right or a wrong way to enjoy the water.

Ok, I might take that last statement back. @#$!&* jetskis.
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Old 03-03-2014, 17:09   #197
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Re: Engine-less Cruising

Jetskis don't "enjoy" the water, they abuse it, and beat it into submission.

All those guys on battleships etc are called sailors are they not?

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Old 03-03-2014, 17:52   #198
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They certainly are.

I don't think they wanted to be called steamers when battleships went from sail to steam. If they did change their name with the type of propulsion, what would they be called now? Nukers?
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Not dodging anything.

You replied to Lin Pardey's quote where she specifically used the word sail (5th word in your capture of the quote). Your reply brought up motor vessels and trawlers. The jist of my reply is how do you sail a trawler? Is someone who drives a trawler a sailor?

No dodging at all. Perhaps a round about way of asking for clarification, but no evasion.

I personally don't care if someone uses an engine or not. Everyone has their own comfort levels. As long as you feel confident in what you are doing and your equipment, motor, sail or row, it's up to you. There isn't a right or a wrong way to enjoy the water.

Ok, I might take that last statement back. @#$!&* jetskis.
If you just want to play word games, the quote I was referring to said "learning to sail"...so how do you learn to sail on a fly bridge motor yacht because read in the literal sense it will somehow bring a better cruising experience.
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A beer says Lin is too smart to be trolled into playing this game.
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A beer says Lin is too smart to be trolled into playing this game.
Is it really trolling when I openly admit, I'm stiring the pot?
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Is it really trolling when I openly admit, I'm stiring the pot?
No, I suppose not. My poor choice of verb. The real message was betting Lin wouldn't bite. Sorry.
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I like having an engine in my sailboat that can cruise at 7 knots if I so feel like it. And I will run it and motor whenever I feel like it and don't care what others think of it.

And that is all there is to a silly argument!
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I think you'll be just fine Don as long as you keep 'er tied to the dock.

As usual.
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I think you'll be just fine Don as long as you keep 'er tied to the dock.

As usual.
I can't get to the dock so sit out on a mooring. But someone keeps tossing the pennant line off and I float away on the wind


Good thing I have that engine.
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... Good thing I have that engine.
Yep. When I first got the current boat with the diesel, wind genny, frig ... etc ... I posted a full, and somewhat sincere retraction of all that crap I'd uttered in the $500 cruising thread. I am now a full convert. Sailing is for sissies! Varooooom! Baby!

Motor on over for a cold brewski bro.
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I'm not sure if I'm suppose to be all on the defensive now. I don't really motor all that much, which is why I have to get solar last year. But the solar did come with the bonus of keeping the beer cold.
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I'm not sure if I'm suppose to be all on the defensive now.
Nah, why bother?
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And that is all there is to a silly argument!
Actually, I think you left out the "nyah-nyah-nyah-NAH-nah."
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Back on the topic and beyond the trivia for a moment?
I sailed 7 years without a motor - all thru the Bahamas and Caribbean - East and West sides. You learn to sail with the tides as far as entrances go - belize was easy with a 6 inch tide - I would simply take the hook out in the dinghy when I ran aground and wait for the change... I could have made Trinidad the hard way - sailing against a 3 knt current, or the easy way - Waiting for a rising tidal flow as I did... i was in Grenada in the 80's and ventured to Trini - simply planned ahead, and life is easy....
More boats have been lost depending on a motor than knowing we don't have one and planning for not having one! I must admit - I built the current boat with 130hp - and the first time it failed in the inter coastal - my kids were darn proud to have those sails uo and get to an anchorage like real sailors!

Having said that...
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