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Old 13-07-2015, 17:58   #16
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

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Looks like a lot of water for miles to me. Of course we don't really know without a chart of the area, but I suspect a tanker operator that was likely proving a point or not paying attention.
I saw no anchor line... was it anchored?
San Francisco Bay frequently has lots of miles of water, trouble is it will be 50ft deep in the marked channel, and 6ft outside it.

I watched the video again and can't really see any sign of the boat being anchored. Is it just drifting?
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Old 13-07-2015, 18:22   #17
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

Ive watched this video a half dozen times, including trying frame by frame- all be it on a phone, but I just can't make this out to be a tanker.

She shows the yellow quarantine flag- but no red bravo- and yet she's nearly fully loaded , I can't see no smoking on the front of the accommodations or the side. I don't see a catwalk, or cargo handling manifold.

How have we identified this as a tanker? She looks like a bulk carrier to me.

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Old 13-07-2015, 18:29   #18
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

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So,
Would it have been appropriate for a seasoned captain to have collided with the small runabout, irrespective of the powerboat's ignorance, to prove a point about his right of way? Would other seamanly considerations have been acceptable in this encounter where the tanker's captain altered course? Are all such encounters black and white?
The Colregs do not use "Right-of-way" terminology anywhere (although the U.S. navigation rules that incorporate the Colregs do use the term in the inland rivers section).

There's no "right-of-way" provided, there are only "stand-on vessels" and "give way vessels". The stand-on vessel's responsibility is to hold course so as not to confuse the situation until it's apparent that the Give-way vessel is not going to move.

Both vessels are equally required to not collide, and being the stand-on vessel isn't going to help you if you could have avoided collision but failed to.
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Ive watched this video a half dozen times, including trying frame by frame- all be it on a phone, but I just can't make this out to be a tanker.

She shows the yellow quarantine flag- but no red bravo- and yet she's nearly fully loaded , I can't see no smoking on the front of the accommodations or the side. I don't see a catwalk, or cargo handling manifold.

How have we identified this as a tanker? She looks like a bulk carrier to me.

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I see now. Got the name of the vessel and googled, Horizon Athena- crude carrier.

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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

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My viewing/interpretation of the video showed sufficient room to starboard to divert--

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Looks like a lot of water for miles to me. Of course we don't really know without a chart of the area,
Really!?!?!?
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Cheech, there was a buoy visible in the shot to starboard of the ship for a second or two. It appeared to be a lateral type buoy, probably a channel marker.

I agree 5 short should have been sounded, but if the mate was alone on the bridge with the wheelsman and had been dodging yo-yos fishing in the channel for the last 3 1/2 hours, he might have had his hands full.

Thought bubble"god, not another one", "when's this guy going to move", " ****, he can't get his engine started", "wheelsman, try and scoot over to starboard some", "that looks like buoy j17 do I have room to go to starboard, oh ****- I'm out of time, where's, **** I'll make an announcement on the loud hailer.". " I'm so screwed...". "Nope, we missed him- I wonder whats for lunch?".

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Yeah, I couldn't see it well enough. But up here in the PNW there are mid channel bouys in miles wide and 600 ft of water....
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

I see the anchor on the bow of runabout. My guess is disabled or someone panicked?

And who cares if bulk carrier or tanker if you're in the runabout? Both are bigger and have monstruous propellers.


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Yeah, I couldn't see it well enough. But up here in the PNW there are mid channel bouys in miles wide and 600 ft of water....
I can't make out the colour of the buoy, but I don't think its bifurcation or fairway, looks like a solid colour.

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I see the anchor on the bow of runabout. My guess is disabled or someone panicked?

And who cares if bulk carrier or tanker if you're in the runabout? Both are bigger and have monstruous propellers.


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Yes, Google tells me she is 30 000 grt. Big boat. I was just trying to assess what I was looking at.

If a ship is carrying dangerous cargoes, it impacts how she is managed.



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If a ship is carrying dangerous cargoes, it impacts how she is managed.
Good point. Thanks!
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I wonder what that big red buoy is for. Never mind, we'll anchor just here.
Fishing marker? Designated anchorage?

As much as I detest government intervention & regulation, this is where you should be required to pass a simplified rules of the road test aimed at the same level of moron as a driving test. Did anyone read the comments after the clip? "Did the tanker stop?" and a few other dumb as a brick comments.
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

Those 'dots' on her sheerstrake showing where the manifold is are a dead giveaway that she is a tanker.
Re 5 blasts and not altering course.. in that situation you would give 5 blasts long before that vid started.. and how do we know the tanker didn't alter course... ? Would only take a few degrees .. and at the end of the day she missed the runabout..not by much maybe but she did miss it....
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

And also she is a chemical tanker... according to Marinetraffic.. although the number of 'dots' was a bit of a giveaway.

So given the choice..smack runabout or put chemical tanker on the bricks I think I know what most would opt for..
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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

Yes, I can see I was mistaken in my early assessment of the video. Clearly a tanker.

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Re: Don't anchor in the channel and this won't happen.

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Yeah, I couldn't see it well enough. But up here in the PNW there are mid channel bouys in miles wide and 600 ft of water....
Those here in the pnw are mid channel markers designating the demarkation between the lanes of a TSS. Yellow in color
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