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Old 13-10-2014, 18:11   #16
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

Thank you all for the quick replies!
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Old 13-10-2014, 18:47   #17
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

heres the simplest illustration I've had of how much the wind matters - coming down the coast on a lazy noreasterly my ETA on GPS was around 10 hrs, hit by a fairly nasty southerly change my ETA became 72 hrs. Yeah, the wind matters.
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

Trident 50,

In the above example of the Roberts ketch. For monohulls, even weatherly ones, will sail hard on the wind (following the change to on the nose) the distance in nautical miles time .66. The boat cannot motor into it at the speeds it was sailing downwind before the change, she has to beat, tack on tack. If you then have contrary current, or a less windwardly capable boat, it really can made a huge difference..... So much so that one might try to attain an anchorage to wait for a more favorable wind strength and/or direction, and still arrive sooner than plugging on through it.

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If you want to see sailing in various wind directions and hazard your decisions against what I choose and then see the results of my good or bad decisions in real life.. follow my Spot and use passageweather as I am to make your choices between Denmark and the Caribbean.. join in the speculations that will be flying around..
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:26   #20
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

It's not that the wind is blowin', it's what the wind is blowin'. Ya, it matters. LOL
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:34   #21
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

Here is a simple graphical example.... trying to work to the Northwest against wind and tide in the first shot.
Second shot shows what happened when , with the same wind , the tide started going our way.
By memory, on that trip it took us 3 weeks to make good 70 miles to windward...... lots of 'waiting on weather'.... at one stage for three days we sailed each morning and arrived back at the same anchorage each evening...
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

Some of the clips in this video are of boats going upwind in some wind. Some people like this, many cruisers do not.

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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

The only thing that will scare you more than making a 1/2 kt SOG crawling off a lee shore in a howling blow ...

Is not making 1/2 kt SOG...
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3) Wind matters, when it is from astern, too. It may be too light and you have to motor sail. Or it may be too great, and you have to get down to a triple reefed main, or a tiny patch of jib. It is the interaction of the wind and ocean that causes big waves to develop, and those waves can toss your yacht about like a cork in a river rapids.
The fastrest I've ever gone in my boat was a broad reach/training run. 3 up "booze cruising" and we saw 7 1/2 knots on the backside of the quartering swell - well above hull speed.

When the boom hit the water on one particularly sporty roll I realized it was past time to reef but we reefed anyway. Coulda been ugly as we were not "actively" managing the boat.
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Re: Does the wind matter THAT much? ;)

It depends on the boat and crew. Some boats have so much leeway they can't really get to windward. Plenty of "sailors" who can't tack fast enough or well enough to get to windward. If you have to wear, you might never get to windward. If you are in tight harbor and the wind is blowing in, you may not have enough room to tack out. Same goes for a narrow channel as you might find in the ICW.

If you destination is always downwind, then not so much...
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... MANY years ago, in the Navy, I took basic seamanship and I seem to recall that you can sail in any direction as long as there is wind. ..
Those Navy guys sure have a sense of humor! Let me guess, they told you this on April first, and offered to hold your beer while you tried it.
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Hey All!

Okay - that all sounds sound!

I didn't know that aobut crossing the gulf stream - that little spit of - is it 60 miles or so? - can be that bad….hmmm…that's good to know!

I see myself sticking around Florida until I get a little experience…maybe the Turks and Caicos after a while as I have friends there. No great expeditions until the comfort level is there…when I can sail as good as I can drive then maybe we'll see what's out there.

That said, I'm sure there's answers elsewhere on here, which I will look for, but how would you all recommend learning to sail. Sailing schools - any to recommend? Offer myself up as fodder/crew/ballast for a few turns about out there?

Thank you all again for the great advice…I don't see myself taking "many" crazy chances out there, having lived aboard an 800' nuclear guided missile cruiser that, at times, got tossed about like rubber ducky, I've seen some mean seas and I find it amazing that you all are OUT there in such small vessels….very cool!

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Damn El P - that is quite illustrative!!!

So, if the winds aren't with you, but the seas are passable, does it then pay to have a larger than standard engine w/additional fuel onboard? Is that done often? Or, as I type this, I'm guessing it may have much to do with the boat?

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Okay - yeah, I'm crazy but I haven't been THAT crazy for about 20-25 years

Besides, at 50, I'm guessing it could take some serious time to have the chops to handle those kinds of seas…but that's okay - I don't think I'd hit that type of ocean intentionally!
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Thank you Ann!

I'm hesitant to ask "what kind of boat should a newbie like me get?" as I imagine there will be many answers. But okay - I'll ask

What I've been looking at are Hunters, Beneteaus, and that type of mass-produced boat, in the 42-46' range. I love the Island Packets and Hanses and Hylas's….but my wallet doesn't!
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