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Old 21-05-2015, 01:57   #16
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The fourth one in this series is the Grief knot.
It is a double whammy - the bad characteristics of a Granny coupled with the bad characteristics of the Thief:
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ABOK #1208: The WHATNOT. This is the same knot formation as the GRANNY KNOT, but the ends are diagonally opposite each other. It is hardly a practical knot. But with the ends seized, it is called the REEVING LINE BEND (#1459), and it also serves as an interesting trick (#2579(]

Note: see also the comments at ABOK# 1406, 1407 and 1490 which are essentially the same knot.
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I've never been impressed with the
perceived usefulness of the square
knot. I think it's kinda useless.

I like that thief knot though.
It's still the best knot I know for securing reef pennants and sail ties.
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Old 21-05-2015, 02:29   #18
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ABOK #1208: The WHATNOT. This is the same knot formation as the GRANNY KNOT, but the ends are diagonally opposite each other. It is hardly a practical knot. But with the ends seized, it is called the REEVING LINE BEND (#1459), and it also serves as an interesting trick (#2579(]

Note: see also the comments at ABOK# 1406, 1407 and 1490 which are essentially the same knot.
I have just been playing for the last hour . Knots intrigue me .

Amazingly if the Grief knot/Whatnot is dressed by twisting the ends, it becomes a secure looking knot. Hunting it up, it is referred to as the Grass Bend (I'd never heard of that one). It is listed in Ashley's as #1490 and very interestingly he states it "provides the best method of joining any flat semiflexible material such as straps".

So this is the Grief knot/Whatnot with the working ends dressed by twisting them to create the Grass Bend (two ways it can be depicted, the first will tighten into the second if lines not straps are used). The only drawback I instantly found with it was that it shook loose easily (just like the Sheet Bend does):
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Old 21-05-2015, 02:44   #19
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Stu, I have a question.
There are 3000+ knots in Ashley's book, listed by number. The groupings are not intuitive to me (some are by occupation ) and I either spend ages hunting or I resort to Google (in this case is was a slow process as Ashley does not call it a Grief knot and he spells the alternative name Whatnot, not What knot as Wiki does, making searching hard).

Has anyone compiled an index for Ashley's by knot name, also giving alternative names for the same knots?

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Stu, I have a question.
There are 3000+ knots in Ashley's book, listed by number. The groupings are not intuitive to me (some are by occupation ) and I either spend ages hunting or I resort to Google (in this case is was a slow process as Ashley does not call it a Grief knot and he spells the alternative name Whatnot, not What knot as Wiki does, making searching hard).

Has anyone compiled an index for Ashley's by knot name, also giving alternative names for the same knots?

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Not that I know of. it appears that the International Guild of Knot Tyers tried to do this a while ago but there has been no action on it for several years. The Ashley Book of Knots INDEX Project, 2008 - IT issues

How much spare time do you have?
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Not that I know of. it appears that the International Guild of Knot Tyers tried to do this a while ago but there has been no action on it for several years. The Ashley Book of Knots INDEX Project, 2008 - IT issues

How much spare time do you have?
Obviously too much .

I saw the 2008 attempt at indexing. Nothing was published online that I found. They did mention possible copywrite problems and this may have halted the exercise.

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Obviously too much .
In which case I look forward to the SWL Ashely Index
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In which case I look forward to the SWL Ashely Index
Want to give me a hand?
I may enjoy it as a winter project and someone knowledgeable to review my work would be useful. Just a CF project, nothing else .

I find Ashley's an amazing source when it come to knots. The only dreadful failure is to include my all time favourite knot, the Zep .

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