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Old 26-07-2012, 19:37   #286
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Re: Cruisers yacht stuck on Gulfport beach in 4 feet of sand

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You're right. It won't make the world a worse place, but I suspect he has a lot of stuff on that big boat. I hope he can find a path to using your help.
How big is your back yard?
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Its similar to a form of psychosis, they become so associated with their pain or trouble, it all but consumes them,,finally it becomes part of a survival mechanism when dealing with others.
A form of self destruction if you will, the person will usually adopt a very severe "Us and Them" doctrine whereby those who can should give, and those who cant should take.
Very Unhealthy mindset but we have millions of people now living on the fringes of society who get stuck into this way of life.
As my late sister said before she passed away in response to me trying to help her with her issues..."This is my Nervous Breakdown and you have no right to interfere!". And so I didn't. And so she embraced her Breakdown...even to the grave.
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Any other response can only be construed as pseudo-sincerity and pretentiousness on your part. Perhaps the first stanza of W.B. Yeats poem "The Second Coming" says it best:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
I have no opinion on this thread, but I thought it was kinda funny to quote a stanza of Yeats right after saying the other guy is acting pretentious.

Don't get me wrong. It's good to be erudite. I just thought the juxtaposition was humorous.
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Very creative and cute to boot. It brought a smile to my face. Thanks
You're welcome now i think i'll go study proper anchoring
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Blessed are the poor, for they shall inherit the earth.
Better to be poor than a fat man in the eye of the needle.
As these words were spoken I swear I hear the old man laughing.
What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having?
All this time the river flowed endlessly like a silent tear.

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Re: Cruisers yacht stuck on Gulfport beach in 4 feet of sand

I am thinking of taking a drive up the gulf coast from Naples to the beached boat on Monday to see for myself, what, if anything, can be done and possibly give a hand getting stuff off the boat, if Jay is willing to listen to reason. If any of you that live between Naples and Gulfport care to put thier money where there typing fingers are,(NO MONEY NEEDED) I am happy to have you along. Just let me know. Of coarse, if it appears that this is a waste of time, by others on the scene, I will not waste my time.
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I am thinking of taking a drive up the gulf coast from Naples to the beached boat on Monday to see for myself, what, if anything, can be done and possibly give a hand getting stuff off the boat, if Jay is willing to listen to reason. If any of you that live between Naples and Gulfport care to put thier money where there typing fingers are,(NO MONEY NEEDED) I am happy to have you along. Just let me know. Of coarse, if it appears that this is a waste of time, by others on the scene, I will not waste my time.

I will likely be in Miami again but I wish you all luck.
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I see.

There's a junked-up sailboat stuck in your yard. Go clean it up will ya - so your neighbors don't have to step in.
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Re: Cruisers yacht stuck on Gulfport beach in 4 feet of sand

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Knot, SV, I've seen that behavior in a few people over the years. even my sister. I don't know if there is a clinical name is for it.

Don't they call that being an @@s?
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I see.

There's a junked-up sailboat stuck in your yard. Go clean it up will ya.
Ya know, I think I could use Knothead's and Rocketman's help with that ...
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One of the really cool things about this thread is that it illuminates the gulf between folks like Jay and sailors. Generally speaking, ( I'm sure there are quite a few exceptions given the number of you-tube launch ramp videos I've seen ) sailors are an above average group. Sailors have to anticipate the unexpected, have to learn about radio operation, sail handling, weather and hundreds of other things besides. The desire to learn and the drive to expand their awareness set them above many other hobbies and activities. If they do not have this element in their persona, they will not be sailors long. Proactive folks with an inner drive to excel can always be confounded by those who do not share these traits. Stuckness is a common term for those who freeze up when confronted with a crisis. Their experience has taught them that they cannot triumph in a crisis and their best bet is to hunker down and wait for it to blow over, then regroup. They have an " I can't " mindset at the beginning. The Knot-man encountered resentment, confusion, and finally resignation. I am no expert, nor am I qualified as an analyst, but I can imagine the transaction between Knothead and Capt'n Jay. Knothead is clearly a man who takes action and has initiative. He will walk into a scene, define what needs to be done, control the environment, and use his skill set to bring the resolution he desires. These are effective traits of parenting. "You'll do such and such, and you will do it now". Clearly Capt'n Jay moved emotionally into the rebellious child role, quickly saw that he was still being pressured, so he moved to the confused defensive posture, which controlled the situation and forced Knothead to define his terms and expectations clearly, then lost the initiative and retreated to the complementary role of " Compliant Child ". Very typical child reaction to demands. Now we will see if Jay becomes overwhelmed by the task of cleaning out his boat and stays in the bar bemoaning his cruel fate, talks others into cleaning out his boat for him, or tries to do it himself. The curious thing that has been mentioned is the presence of other people on the boat, besides Jay. Perhaps folks from the bar ? How do they fit in, I wonder. Never the less, we will all know quite a bit about who this Captain Jay really is, by tomorrow night. We will know if it is worth the effort to float this man's boat. Hanging in the bar is not a good first step.
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Sure sounds like the amount of time we've all spent reading and writing on this thread is probably orders of magnitude greater than the time Capn Jay has spent trying to get refloated....
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Hanging in the bar is not a good first step.
They must have nickel beers if he can drink there with only $1.25 to his name :-) maybe we need to check the bar out!!!
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Sure sounds like the amount of time we've all spent reading and writing on this thread is probably orders of magnitude greater than the time Capn Jay has spent trying to get refloated....
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I think he's completely overwhelmed, and I suspect that he's a hoarder, which will really impact every facet of his life negatively. It's a serious psychological problem.

The one trait I have seen among sailors -- those who actually sail as opposed to the handful of people like Cap'n Jay who use their boat only as a home -- is that they're problem solvers.

That said, I think just about all the views we've seen here have some merit. This just isn't a black and white negative. The downside of leaving him where he is is obvious -- someone's home will be methodically and deliberately destroyed. But if it's refloated, Mother Nature may well do it either in the next storm or when his anchor tackle next fails, which it will if not cared for and maintained. Then it may be his home plus others', or even things secured to the land (two piers in the immediate area even if the water isn't hard enough to take him into the trees or buildings on the beach, or even beyond.)

I don't think his problems are so simple that if people help him he'll see the error of his ways and just fix himself by himself. Hopefully friends -- and he appears to have some -- will be willing to dive the very shallow waters there and check on the status of his anchorage from time to time -- the chain as well as the rode can fail, as I'm sure just about everyone here knows.
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