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Old 22-11-2012, 16:05   #1171
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@ JoeDiver, Hmm getting serious are we? Ok. I'll see your Vietnamese Dong, and raise you 10 Albanian Lek.
Game on then....I'll see your 10 Albanian Lek....and raise you 1 Internet Opinion.
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Game on then....I'll see your 10 Albanian Lek....and raise you 1 Internet Opinion.
Sh*t just got real up in here yo
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Old 23-11-2012, 18:32   #1173
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I think we need to define success in this righting maneuver.
The goal is to de-list the ship by pivoting her on the grounded keel.
Success to the insurance company means that the salvage team achieves this without severely buckling her plating where the scantlings are much thinner than around the Keel.
I don’t think she will break up but I am guessing that once they begin the maneuver and have cameras placed to sight distortion, if it happens, they will stop and install extra floatation precautions on the starboard side to reduce the righting stresses.

It would be interesting to see detail photos of the present aspect of the keel to the sea bottom
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Old 27-11-2012, 12:05   #1174
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My definition of success is getting her into the scrapping dock in more or less one piece. Anything else I am counting as failure. I'll even accept torching off everything above main deck level but the hull has to be in one piece. That is what they are claiming they can do.
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Old 27-11-2012, 12:36   #1175
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First of all, the threatening winds come from the east and north, not other directions.

Neither Titan or Neri do have the capacity and capability to bring this affair to a good end.

A lot of propaganda but no real progress.
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And do it they will...
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I think we need to define success in this righting maneuver.
The goal is to de-list the ship by pivoting her on the grounded keel.
Success to the insurance company means that the salvage team achieves this without severely buckling her plating where the scantlings are much thinner than around the Keel.
I don’t think she will break up but I am guessing that once they begin the maneuver and have cameras placed to sight distortion, if it happens, they will stop and install extra floatation precautions on the starboard side to reduce the righting stresses.

It would be interesting to see detail photos of the present aspect of the keel to the sea bottom
Why would her scantlings be less at the keel?
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Old 27-11-2012, 13:00   #1178
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First of all, the threatening winds come from the east and north, not other directions.

Neither Titan or Neri do have the capacity and capability to bring this affair to a good end.

A lot of propaganda but no real progress.
I agree Smit should have got the job

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CBC’s “The Fifth Estate” will be airing (TV & Internet) an interview with Captain Francesco Schettino (“Costa Concordia”) and others this evening (Friday, December 7, 2012) at 9:00PM.
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“... Capt. Francesco Schettino describes to the fifth estate's Bob McKeown how he believes that the ship wasn't on the course he had ordered and how he believes a helmsman's brief error contributed to the problem. As well, Schettino says that evidence from the ship's recovered "black box" appears to support his contention ...

... Schettino had ordered a sail-past "salute" to the island of Giglio on the evening of Jan. 13, travelling parallel to the shore at a distance of about half a nautical mile.

When he arrived on the bridge to command the salute, however, he said the ship wasn't on the course he had ordered. As he took control and turned the ship, he saw foam and realized he was in shallow water. The Costa Concordia had in fact been heading at full speed toward rocks.

As the black box indicates, Schettino says, he ordered a turn to port, to the left, but it appears the opposite happened. Shortly after, the aft section of the ship struck rocks in the shallow water, and a 35-metre gash was torn in the hull below the water ...”

More ➥ Costa Concordia wreck an accident, not crime, captain says - World - CBC News
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"Fifth Estate" is certainly appropriate. From his remarks, it's clear that he's living in an alternate universe :-(

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What is believable and what's not?

Most probably he is getting his orders what to tel and what not.

The facts are simple and undeniable.
Schettino is a clown. Tomorrow he'll tell you something different.
Parentcoy and Costa Cruises are as little believeable as this so called captain.

A manager cult going badly wrong, the thin red line in all industry.
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Why would her scantlings be less at the keel?
If you re-read I am saying at places 'other' than the keel... further up the hull, usually past the turn of the bilge
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If you re-read I am saying at places 'other' than the keel... further up the hull, usually past the turn of the bilge
Fair enough, i guess there's going to be hundreds of tonnes of plate stripped and re-done, interesting stuff.
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My definition of success is getting her into the scrapping dock in more or less one piece. Anything else I am counting as failure. I'll even accept torching off everything above main deck level but the hull has to be in one piece. That is what they are claiming they can do.
That is what I think is feasible. However, this group has been chosen for political reasons rather than a decision based on virtue and capacity.
I wrote that before.

Sofar, their efforts had not lead (yet) to anything besides hollow newsreleases, to keep the politicians happy, but the Islanders of Gorgio do know better.
Neri had to be involved as it was demanded by the government to channel the bribes on the Italian side, and to have some way of control inside the ongoing process.

The islanders are quite content with the international attention, the owners of Costa want to claim the whole issue as soon as possible and what I personally believe is that the wreck will stay there till kingdome come. In spite of all promises.

Rumour says that the activity around the wreck is almost nihil and that the equipment around the vessel is only for public show.
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Well I don't beleive Titan are there doing nothing


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