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Old 14-01-2012, 16:19   #46
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There should certainly be no doubt about what it hit
I wonder what sort of environmental impact this will have? I dont see any booms out to prevent fuel from migrating, perhaps no tanks were breached? Not to mention they can probably take that rock off the charts now, as it seems to be stuck in the side of the boat!
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That's why it's called "Navigation" not "follow the dotted line".

I don't see how someone could know about a hidden, uncharted rock big enough to potentially sink a cruise ship. Magic? crystal ball?
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The gash is much more than what you see in that photo






and more here Shipwrecks Log
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half your lifeboats are usually unusable.
Actually all of them. The up side can't get them in the water. And the down side could get crushed.
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Old 14-01-2012, 17:06   #50
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Actually all of them. The up side can't get them in the water. And the down side could get crushed.
Yup. Look in the last pic and you can see most of the lifeboats still in the davits on the high side.
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Old 14-01-2012, 17:10   #51
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The gash is much more than what you see in that photo






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I wonder if there isn't more than one gash. Usually damage control bulkheads will limit water intrusion to the side of the boat damaged, and it will list in that direction as it sinks. I wonder if there's not another huge gash torn in the submerged side of the hull. Or maybe it's just that the lay of the seafloor in such shallow water caused her to list to the other side as she sunk?
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Has an one noticed that the ship is appears to be heading in the wrong direction?
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I was thing the same thing. Maybe they tried shifting ballast tanks to compensate for the sinking and went too far. Now all the water has moved to the down side.
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I really hate modern cruise ships and the half-assed, cheap way they are run and crewed. Why not put pontoons and a giant outboard on a Bahamian hotel? You get the same effect. There can be no excuse these days for this sort of incident. Watchkeeping? Radar? Depth alarm? This reminds me of the Andrea Doria incident, except that seaworthiness engineering was not as well understood in the 1950s as now. Still, if the ship "falls over", half your lifeboats are usually unusable.
I've been in a hurricane or two on cruise ships. Considered them highlights of the trip rather than terror.

The captain of the Norwegian Dream was fired after his ship rammed a barge in broad daylight in the Montevideo channel. At the time, he was in his cabin and allegedly intoxicated.



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I've been in a hurricane or two on cruise ships. Considered them highlights of the trip rather than terror.

The captain of the Norwegian Dream was fired after his ship rammed a barge in broad daylight in the Montevideo channel. At the time, he was in his cabin and allegedly intoxicated.



Intoxicated captains are surprisingly common. My wife is an ITR (booking) nurse at our local metro jail, and has had two heavily intoxicated ships captains brought to her in the last five years. The local law enforcement boards the boat right before departure to check things out, this is how both of these jokers were caught. One was a greek skipper for Norwegian who was stinking drunk when he came in. She said he was really sad when he realized he was going to lose his very lucrative job. Let's hope that was not the case here, but it looks suspicious. Why wait to put out a mayday? Why did the captain leave the ship at 11:30 when they were still rescuing people at 3:00AM? Looks pretty fishy.
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I was thing the same thing. Maybe they tried shifting ballast tanks to compensate for the sinking and went too far. Now all the water has moved to the down side.

Or maybe they did it on purpose? If she had rolled toward the gash, the situation would probably be much worse, as it was toward deeper water.
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Intoxicated captains are surprisingly common.
Exxon Valdez for one. Exxon Valdez: Captain Hazelwood and his Ship Today

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I work at a retail chain. They pay an independent company to report **anything** If ANY employee suspects theft, harassment, or **anything** else. We can report it up the chain of command, or we can report it anonymously through a third party if we wish.

Seems to me that my company has a lot less liability than a company like Carnival. If I was first officer, and the capt showed up drunk, I'd report his ass so quick. you gotta think the first officer wants a promotion and like you said, the top slots don't vacate very often!
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I don't see how someone could know about a hidden, uncharted rock big enough to potentially sink a cruise ship. Magic? crystal ball?
An uncharted rock - Lol!, at least it wasn't a rogue wave .

If the below is accurate, then explains why it hit a rock......it's not as if the everything marked on a chart has all been measured to the nearest inch, especially the underwater stuff.

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This has an interesting explanation for the circumstances of the sinking--i.e., listing towards the undamaged side:

Understanding the Costa Concordia Disaster
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