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Old 20-01-2012, 18:30   #481
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There have been so many AIS, all to suit an explanation. What we need is the track and even a track can leave some holes.
If by track you mean a series of GPS positions then the AIS data is a track. It is a series of GPS positions broadcast from Concordia with time stamps, heading data, and other parameters included.

If you mean something else, please describe your definition of "track".
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Old 20-01-2012, 18:31   #482
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Nothing in the port side hull pictures show any damage ahead of the 160 foot port stern gash. Stabilizer and areas around it are untouched.

Ship was still in a turn when she hit
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Old 20-01-2012, 18:34   #483
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Is there anyone out there that holds hope that some of the remaining folks that are missing may be found alive,holding out in some area of the ship that has yet to be reached.....
Or Am I the only one?
Totally with you all the way.
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Old 20-01-2012, 18:44   #484
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This comment is to address speculation in pages 19-23 about the Captain's delay in sending a "Mayday" after the collision.
It will also be interesting to know if the horn was sounded which is the best way to raise alarm among a coastal population, bearing in mind that just the sight of the ship coming to ground may have been sufficient to get the coastal population involved in the rescue.
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The gash is much more than what you see in that photo






and more here Shipwrecks Log
It was my impression too then I zoomed on the first picture looking for the anchor chain and and concluded that damage was made to the forward section.
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If by track you mean a series of GPS positions then the AIS data is a track. It is a series of GPS positions broadcast from Concordia with time stamps, heading data, and other parameters included.

If you mean something else, please describe your definition of "track".
I mean THE track. There have been so many different versions of the data sent from the ship labelled AIS than this data has lost credibility. If you can supply both the ship data and the AIS data it will be interesting to see how accurate they are.
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It is called a whistle and not a horn. Sorry about being persnickety.

It is not necessary to shut down any nav equipment to deviate from the trackline. You just change the auto pilot setting from Nav to Hand Steer or to Pilot.

Deviating from the track line is done frequently, mostly to avoid a collision with another vessel. After the course deviation you can either reset the trackline to the vessels current position or head the vessel back onto its original trackline. In deep waters where resetting your trackine will not endanger the vessel, it is easier to click and drag the trackline over to the vessels current position after maneuvering to avoid a collision, then set the autopilot back to Nav. What to do depends on what the captain has written in his standing orders.
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Nothing in any of the pictures shows forward port hull damage at any zoom level.
She was in a turn when hitting the rocks. 15 knots to a dead stop. Then slowly pulled off headed for deeper water.
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I mean THE track. There have been so many different versions of the data sent from the ship labelled AIS than this data has lost credibility. If you can supply both the ship data and the AIS data it will be interesting to see how accurate they are.
Well let's think about that a bit. Concordia ship data must mean GPS data from their own systems, that includes the AIS internal GPS data which is produced within the Concordia's AIS transceiver. It could also include GPS data generated by their other GPS receivers. I do not know what of that data may be recorded in the voyage data recorder, but the AIS data is now available. There should not be multiple versions of it since there is only one source for it. If other Condordia GPS data is recorded, the only differences from the AIS data should be due to antenna locations on the vessel. Once adjusted for antenna location the two sources of GPS data should be within a few feet of each other.
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Thanks Nigel, most telling…… and for some of us professional mariners, it does confirm that this captain crumbled under pressure and failed to perform effectively as a professional master mariner…. Before…during and after

On a more humorous note:…..

The current plight of the Costa Concordia is a reminder of a comment made by Winston Churchill.

After his retirement he was cruising the Mediterranean on an Italian cruise liner and some Italian journalists asked why an ex British Prime Minister should chose an Italian ship.

There are three things I like about being on an Italian cruise ship said Churchill.
First their cuisine is unsurpassed.
Second their service is superb.
And
then, in time of emergency, there is none of this nonsense about women and children first...
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Why do Americans try to put together a class action for the survivors? Perhaps compensation for repatriation. The world has gone mad, it's sick! Never mind the dead lets have a lawsuit. They want initially $165000 each.

What they went through was terrifying, and I think lawsuits are inevitable. Suppose someone develops PTSD from this? Quite possible, and that's a terribly debilitating problem to have.
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Sadly, I think you may be alone. I think the Italians have suspended searching for survivors.

I think most people would know to make noise -- take something and bang it periodically, or something. I think the odds are low.
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How many are still missing? Is there a count?
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I think most people would know to make noise -- take something and bang it periodically, or something. I think the odds are low.
Yeah, I am 'hopeful' but also extremely skeptical. At this point I think the divers have combed that boat pretty well, the areas they couldn't get to, they couldn't get to for a reason.
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