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20-01-2012, 13:35
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
It does make you question the sanity of having enormous cruise ships. If people want to take the risk then so be it. We do this with commercial jets and getting into cars, both of which have their deadly accidents.
At least from now on people will know that modern passenger ships are not 100% safe either. Pick your risk/pleasure ratio. I would not want to see laws banning them or making them cost prohibitively safer. That is what happened to the US cruise fleet..increased safety requirements eventually killed the business. People should be allowed to take their own known risks.
I would though half consider bringing a survival suit on a cruise ship.
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20-01-2012, 13:36
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by Dreaming Yachtsman
This comment is to address speculation in pages 19-23 about the Captain's delay in sending a "Mayday" after the collision.
One has to assume that the crew felt the ship shudder when it hit the rock off La Scole and began investigating soon thereafter, even if general quarters were not sounded. (From what we have heard of this cruise, the Captain probably didn't want to unnecessarily concern the passengers by sounding the alarm until it was too late.)
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At the time the Coast Guard called Concordia, the crew on the bridge must have known that they were taking on water. I am not familiar with the vessel's systems, but I believe that they have damage control instrumentation to let them know which compartments need to be isolated. When the facts are all surfaced it is likely to show that Condordia's report to the Coast Guard that they were only "troubleshooting an electrical balck-out" is far less than the truth.
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20-01-2012, 13:41
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I will listen.
I will read.
I will watch the visuals.
But I will never judge.
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20-01-2012, 13:49
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by WorldWind
I will listen.
I will read.
I will watch the visuals.
But I will never judge.
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On the last point, I try not to judge but this captain brings it out in me, so I'm not as good a man as you WorldWind.
Some may have seen this, I did, but without the narration supplied by gcaptain. gCaptain’s John Konrad Narrates the Final Maneuvers of the Costa Concordia [VIDEO] | gCaptain - Maritime & Offshore
My question to the learned group on this forum, if main generation is down, only the top side emergency genny running, how is it the captain had enough electrical energy to use the thrusters?
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20-01-2012, 13:51
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
Some ship thrusters have their own diesel generators. I don't know about this ship specifically.
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20-01-2012, 13:56
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by WorldWind
I will listen.
I will read.
I will watch the visuals.
But I will never judge.
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Guess nobody is judging at the moment, just collect facts, information (and rumors) ;-)
Everyone of us sails risky manouvers sometimes - noone cares until one will fail
Dont forget: The best master is always the one on land!
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20-01-2012, 14:01
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by deckofficer
.... how is it the captain had enough electrical energy to use the thrusters?
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Who the hell told u he used the trusters?
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20-01-2012, 14:02
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by christian.kautz
Who the hell told u he used the trusters?
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Be nice to other forum members please.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ork&page=rules
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20-01-2012, 14:07
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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20-01-2012, 14:07
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by David M
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Sorry, just a serious question!
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20-01-2012, 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deckofficer
On the last point, I try not to judge but this captain brings it out in me, so I'm not as good a man as you WorldWind.
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I'm sure you are just as good of man as I.
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20-01-2012, 14:45
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
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Originally Posted by St. Elsewhere
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Thanks St. Elsewhere, I've been away and when I got back I saw christian.kautz's question directed at me. I don't think he had use of thrusters either due to the engine/generator room being flooded and I'm not aware of any top side emergency generator with enough poop to power thrusters, let alone not having any tie in to a 10.6Kva bus. When I heard it in that narration by Gcaptain that he used the thrusters, the first thing that came to mind for me was "from what power source?"
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20-01-2012, 15:39
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re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS
Quote:
Originally Posted by David M
Some ship thrusters have their own diesel generators. I don't know about this ship specifically.
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or maybe started with air-tanks?This has been a pretty common method to start engines...
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