Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-01-2012, 06:13   #181
Registered User
 
Katiusha's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 803
Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

So at what point did it hit the reef? On the second 0:13 or 0:18 of the replay?
Katiusha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:08   #182
Registered User
 
JoeDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: DFW Metroplex
Boat: 1982 Catalina 25 Yacht
Posts: 164
Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

Looks to my untrained eye like the ship failed to turn into the center of the channel, hit the rocks then immediately turned around and beached.
__________________
1982 Catalina 25, #2897; SR/FK/Traditional; Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas.
JoeDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:27   #183
Registered User
 
JoeDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: DFW Metroplex
Boat: 1982 Catalina 25 Yacht
Posts: 164
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Now I'm seeing reports the captain was doing a "fly by" to send a greeting to friends ashore?

Concordia Fly By
__________________
1982 Catalina 25, #2897; SR/FK/Traditional; Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas.
JoeDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:30   #184
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
Posts: 121
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

I have been following this event on other cruise threads, as a wild thought I kinda wonder if there may have been some recent earthquake activity that moved this rock, perhaps it actually was part of an underwater landslide? That it was at one time closer to shore?

Apparently in the past boats had a habit of coming close to shore, this time the captain who was from the island may have just pulled a "Hold muh wine" moment.

Boat gets hit on the rear port side as the stern swings, then captain decided to make a port side turn back which then caused the boat to shift its center of gravity to the opposited side, also was reported they dropped anchor to make the turn even sharper.
Silverado6x6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:37   #185
Registered User
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Community Sponsor

Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: Mahe 36, Helia 44 Evo, MY 37
Posts: 5,731
Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Hit rocks.jpg
Views:	451
Size:	101.4 KB
ID:	36054  
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:39   #186
Registered User
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Community Sponsor

Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: Mahe 36, Helia 44 Evo, MY 37
Posts: 5,731
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Hit rocks.jpg
Views:	368
Size:	101.4 KB
ID:	36055  
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:45   #187
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Probably in an anchorage or a boatyard..
Boat: Ebbtide 33' steel cutter
Posts: 5,030
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cotemar View Post
Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
Where did that data come from?

Only ais I've seen had a 15 min gap.
conachair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 07:57   #188
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
Images: 5
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cotemar View Post
Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
The distance is not 1000 ft (300 mtrs) but about half. Measure the proper distance using the scale of GM. But that's not the point.
The point is that he wanted to do a waiter from Giglio a favour by passing close by the Island.
Anyhow, in the interview the captain said, admitted, that he was about 150 mtr outside the shore of Giglio. The lack of visual awareness at night as well as the high position of the bridge and not plotting a proper course but following the electronic charting (the captain called it a "Tourist Navigation") did hit the boat the rocks of Le Scole.

It seems that there are still 14 persons trapped inside. If they still live nobody knows with certainty.
The search for the trapped passengers is still not under controlled direction.
The firebrigade' s divers are on board but left because the Concordia moved (only a few centimeters) but they panicked and left the boat.

This is poor business. Those firemen - even divers - are no specialists for this kind of job. Here you need high caliber divers with the very best gear available. I am afraid that the diving-team of Smit Salvage is still waiting till negotiations between the parties of Smit Salvage and the beancounters of Costa are finished at cost of the pax inside.
MacG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 08:18   #189
cruiser

Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 128
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cotemar View Post
Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
what he's doing there. literary you can jump from boat to the shore.i would not go so close to the shore at that time of the night even with my 24 footer, let alone with 114,500 GT vessel.
lolarose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 08:50   #190
Registered User
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Community Sponsor

Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: Mahe 36, Helia 44 Evo, MY 37
Posts: 5,731
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

This video shows how close they got
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...tml#post861127
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 09:02   #191
Registered User
 
S/V Alchemy's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Nova Scotia until Spring 2021
Boat: Custom 41' Steel Pilothouse Cutter
Posts: 4,976
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Good grief. "Hold muh wine", indeed.
S/V Alchemy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 09:06   #192
Registered User
 
JoeDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: DFW Metroplex
Boat: 1982 Catalina 25 Yacht
Posts: 164
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

Now there'll be new international maritime laws regarding how close a ship can come to land other than entering/leaving port.

You can't fix stupid, but you can make it illegal.
__________________
1982 Catalina 25, #2897; SR/FK/Traditional; Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas.
JoeDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 09:57   #193
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7
Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

I think he hit an other rock. When you see the last AIS fragment then he sailed north. Then he was still free of the rocks. Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions
As i heard The captain wanted the show the island to one of the crew and he turned Starbord the ship. At a ais relay you can see he was turning.
Costa Concordia sank near Italy (AIS data replay video) | Cruise Articles
And so he got the rocks at starbord side. And there was P.ta Gabbianara. their was water enough and no hidden rocks (opencpn), look how high is the damage, just below the waterline.

broach
broach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 10:01   #194
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,492
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

I hope the Italians are going to perform a proper NTSB-standard investigation. That is what would happen in the US (or if a US-flagged vessel was involved).

I just read the NTSB report on the tanker that crashed into SF Bay Bridge. Turns out that the pilot navigated to a waypoint that the crew told him was the safe channel. Turns out it was actually the middle of the tower.

Moral : Be careful using other people's created GPS waypoints.
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-01-2012, 10:06   #195
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,594
Images: 75
re: Cruise Ship Costa Concordia - MERGED THREADS

here is an account by one of the crew

“Shame on You!” Costa Concordia’s Guest Services Manager Speaks Out, Defends Crew and Captain | gCaptain - Maritime & Offshore
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ais, cruise, cruise ship


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Joke Thread Ex-Calif Flotsam & Sailing Miscellany 4794 15-05-2015 08:53
What Laws Govern Salvaging Booty From the Grounded Costa Concordia? TomBrooklyn General Sailing Forum 10 06-02-2012 11:57

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 15:50.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.