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Old 16-01-2012, 07:13   #181
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Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

So at what point did it hit the reef? On the second 0:13 or 0:18 of the replay?
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Re: AIS data of Costa Concordia accident

Looks to my untrained eye like the ship failed to turn into the center of the channel, hit the rocks then immediately turned around and beached.
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Old 16-01-2012, 08:27   #183
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Now I'm seeing reports the captain was doing a "fly by" to send a greeting to friends ashore?

Concordia Fly By
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I have been following this event on other cruise threads, as a wild thought I kinda wonder if there may have been some recent earthquake activity that moved this rock, perhaps it actually was part of an underwater landslide? That it was at one time closer to shore?

Apparently in the past boats had a habit of coming close to shore, this time the captain who was from the island may have just pulled a "Hold muh wine" moment.

Boat gets hit on the rear port side as the stern swings, then captain decided to make a port side turn back which then caused the boat to shift its center of gravity to the opposited side, also was reported they dropped anchor to make the turn even sharper.
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Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot
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Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
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Old 16-01-2012, 08:45   #187
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Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
Where did that data come from?

Only ais I've seen had a 15 min gap.
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Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
The distance is not 1000 ft (300 mtrs) but about half. Measure the proper distance using the scale of GM. But that's not the point.
The point is that he wanted to do a waiter from Giglio a favour by passing close by the Island.
Anyhow, in the interview the captain said, admitted, that he was about 150 mtr outside the shore of Giglio. The lack of visual awareness at night as well as the high position of the bridge and not plotting a proper course but following the electronic charting (the captain called it a "Tourist Navigation") did hit the boat the rocks of Le Scole.

It seems that there are still 14 persons trapped inside. If they still live nobody knows with certainty.
The search for the trapped passengers is still not under controlled direction.
The firebrigade' s divers are on board but left because the Concordia moved (only a few centimeters) but they panicked and left the boat.

This is poor business. Those firemen - even divers - are no specialists for this kind of job. Here you need high caliber divers with the very best gear available. I am afraid that the diving-team of Smit Salvage is still waiting till negotiations between the parties of Smit Salvage and the beancounters of Costa are finished at cost of the pax inside.
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Costa Concordia was only 300 meters (1000 feet)(one boat length) away from shore when she hit rocks. Captain said it was uncharted, but it is a well know dive spot.
what he's doing there. literary you can jump from boat to the shore.i would not go so close to the shore at that time of the night even with my 24 footer, let alone with 114,500 GT vessel.
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This video shows how close they got
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...tml#post861127
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Good grief. "Hold muh wine", indeed.
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Now there'll be new international maritime laws regarding how close a ship can come to land other than entering/leaving port.

You can't fix stupid, but you can make it illegal.
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I think he hit an other rock. When you see the last AIS fragment then he sailed north. Then he was still free of the rocks. Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions
As i heard The captain wanted the show the island to one of the crew and he turned Starbord the ship. At a ais relay you can see he was turning.
Costa Concordia sank near Italy (AIS data replay video) | Cruise Articles
And so he got the rocks at starbord side. And there was P.ta Gabbianara. their was water enough and no hidden rocks (opencpn), look how high is the damage, just below the waterline.

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I hope the Italians are going to perform a proper NTSB-standard investigation. That is what would happen in the US (or if a US-flagged vessel was involved).

I just read the NTSB report on the tanker that crashed into SF Bay Bridge. Turns out that the pilot navigated to a waypoint that the crew told him was the safe channel. Turns out it was actually the middle of the tower.

Moral : Be careful using other people's created GPS waypoints.
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here is an account by one of the crew

“Shame on You!” Costa Concordia’s Guest Services Manager Speaks Out, Defends Crew and Captain | gCaptain - Maritime & Offshore
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