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Old 30-03-2019, 03:54   #1
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Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

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Old 30-03-2019, 04:03   #2
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360..???
Whats that..???
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Old 30-03-2019, 04:07   #3
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

Not 360. Just checked it. Guess it was the rush to take the picture.
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Not 360. Just checked it. Guess it was the rush to take the picture.
Funny how language evolves.

He was referring to the "rules of the road" requirement for all boats to maintain a proper lookout

"in degrees clockwise around a circle, from 000° to 360°"
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Old 30-03-2019, 06:35   #5
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dupe

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Old 30-03-2019, 06:58   #6
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:-) that's times evolving, thought you considered it to be a 360degree image.
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Interesting....


"Phoenix’s owner was 56 years old. The owner did not hold any boating or marine qualifications and had no knowledge of local regulations and guidance. His understanding of the COLREG’s11 was limited to an awareness that vessels approaching from behind were required to keep clear."
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

no need for a boater's driver's licence...

a little story:

in an(other) attempt to get some sailing in, the other day i went to a "cruiser's club" meeting at my normandy yacht club, which has a 30' sailboat that has been made available to members who wish to use it. the small group of regulars was looking to invite new members.

we were four newcomers, and we read the paper about how much one pays for this and then that and then this and then that... and then all went down to the boat and chatted in the cockpit.

i might have set them off when i asked who among those present considered themselves experienced skippers... but then i made another mistake: i asked if we could practice MOB and things of the sort. the answer was immediately, "No, we only go out when the weather is right. this a purely about pleasure sailing. if you want to do that, you can take courses."

when i insisted a bit .... as in, "i took a course and would appreciate being in a group that practiced together," ...(watching their arms fold).... "just in case..." ...(a wall of silence around me - i'm the weird one here, i can feel it) "...could be fun...?"

the response that came was so very defensive. one guy informed me ma-petite-dame style that french law does not require people to have a permit or any formal training to operate a sailboat.

oh dear...






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... He was referring to the "rules of the road" requirement for all boats to maintain a proper lookout ...
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

wolfgal, different folks look to get different things out of sailing. I can show you one group of weeknight racers who are totally cut-throat and will cut the excess off their shoelaces in order to keep down the boat weight, while another night has all the casual folks who pay no attention to boat weight and are there mainly to enjoy the buffet afterwards.

It is a matter of "different" not "right or wrong".

If those folks are not marching to the beat of the same drummer you hear, just find other folks.
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

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Thanks DH. As usual mistakes on both sides with complacency and not "standing" a watch especially before a course change into a channel, being the ferry's failure.
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Old 30-03-2019, 15:14   #12
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

I thought that this statement was a great example of British understatement:

"The guidance provided by ABP to recreational boaters in the Solent, which is aimed at deconflicting
the movements of recreational craft and commercial shipping, is clear and comprehensive. However,
although such guidance is readily available on ABP’s website, and is disseminated through various
sailing and boating clubs, the actions of Phoenix’s owner indicates there are recreational boaters in the
Solent that the guidance has yet to reach."

Has yet to reach! Perhaps this concept helps support the usefulness of the lengthy threads here on CF which address COLREGS issues, and which generate such ire in some participants.

That aside, Mike O'Riley, see what can happen when you chose to go slow, when you could be going fast! Ya get run over from astern!

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no need for a boater's driver's licence...

the response that came was so very defensive. one guy informed me ma-petite-dame style that french law does not require people to have a permit or any formal training to operate a sailboat.

oh dear...

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Wolfie, I think he was jealous of you, your skill set and spirit. I'd also love to find a group willing to practice skills like full MOB.
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Re: Cowes Ferry Crushes Motorboat; Doesn't Even Notice

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Spot on, Spot!

Those guys would rather think our wolfgal was a scaredy cat sissy than face up to the fact that sailing has some risks which can be mitigated by practicing MOB drills.

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I see the expectations for the ability of powerboat skippers hasn’t increased any since I was there twenty years ago: “Phoenix’s owner appeared to be coherent”. You can’t ask for more
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