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Old 19-10-2014, 17:20   #31
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

Perhaps sounding a horn to alert the sailing crew that you have concern about their course. I understand that the first to sound warning in a collision may be significant in marine courts. Although if you have a very loud directional horn it may be tempting to wait if it appears they will tack right up close. :-)
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

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3.2 Safe Operation of Vessels: Reckless operation of any vessel, including any recreational vessel, small craft, or dinghy, when in the judgment of the Harbormaster said operation is an endangerment to life, property, or other vessels, shall be grounds for immediate ejection from the Facility.
OK, interesting. Thanks. That does NOT ban either sailing, or in fact racing, in the mooring field - only reckless operation. I would suggest that racing is not per say reckless, not even in a mooring field (eg it could be if the boats act recklessly, but is not necessarily so and racing boats could act prudently even while sailing thru a mooring field). But that is certainly a bit of a can of worms because 'recklessness' is a judgement call, and experienced racers will/do have a difference judgement than non-racers.

I am curious if this was enforced after some actual incident where a person or boat was hit? If so then there was clearly 'recklessness' than needed to be sanctioned. But if it was just some people/boats who did not like sail boats racing thru the mooring field, but who had in fact caused no incidents, then it would make me a bit more uncomfortable to have 'the man' called down.

Florida and California both do seem to have a different perspective on the need and their legal ability to impose rules on boaters/sailors than any of the other states I have sailed in.

I agree with you with regards to the video. Two separate incidences, the only commonality was that racing sailboats were involved.

In the OP, the J is in fact NOT racing. They are simply having a nice safe day sail, and being treated with inconsideration by boats overtaking them under motor.
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

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Look again..... Both motoring vessels only had to use there throttles and go a stern of the J boat and this post wouldn't have even started
Total inability to assess the situation or recognise what a craft sailing actions would be, the j boat is the stand on vessel and in no way is he impeding a vessel restricted by draught or inability to manoeuvre !
This is getting silly
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

Please don't come to my local harbour on race night
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

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Italian coast guard giving right of way to a very small sailboat on a port:

In this case, the sailboat skipper is a freaking moron, even if he does have the right of way.
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

Yep...... Welcome to the life of a motorboater !!
But it shows the pro's know the rules


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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

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While departing Annapolis Yacht Basin after our Sailboat Show weekend we encountered a J boat sailing through the anchorage and mooring field. I slowed to allow it to pass in front of my bow. The J then tacked and cut in front of me again and continued on a tack that eventually forced another sailing vessel under power to alter course in a dangerously crowded area. A boat under sail normally has right of way but what about when sailing in an anchorage or mooring field where larger boats have limited maneuverability?

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The black hulled sailboat under power had plenty of opportunities to slow down, stop, or turn. The nature of her work is recreational sailing, which does not make her the stand-on vessel. Her skipper being a jerk or not paying attention. Use your common sense, folks!
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

As was said in a previous post, it's an Annapolis thing. I was on a mooring in Spa Creek one evening and was startled to see a whole fleet threading through the mooring field under spinnakers. One, rather expertly I have to say, passed very, very close to our stern before jibing to the finish.

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As was said in a previous post, it's an Annapolis thing. I was on a mooring in Spa Creek one evening and was startled to see a whole fleet threading through the mooring field under spinnakers. One, rather expertly I have to say, passed very, very close to our stern before jibing to the finish.

It's Annapolis. Learn to enjoy it, or go somewhere else. It's a weekly happening during the season. You ain't gonna change tradition.
Must be a New England thing too. Sailing into or out of a harbor is not uncommon. It is incumbent on the sailboat not to make sudden maneuvers like tacking just ahead of another vessel, and it's also incumbent on the vessel under power to slow down, stop, or otherwise get out of the way.

A responsible race organizing committee will coordinate the race location, course, and time with local authorities (CG and/or harbormaster), but I have seen many races here organized by local yacht clubs inside protected harbors for the kids in Optimist dinghies or similar. Just about everyone is careful around them and does not get into sea lawyer mode interpreting the minutia of COLREGs. There are also kayakers and paddle boarders here, just to make things more interesting.
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Maybe it would help if you understand the situation. The red route is what the racers took, the blue routes were the options available them from avoiding the mooring field. Having 50 or more whiz through was rude, disconcerting and totally unnecessary.
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Perhaps. I suppose it depends on the observer. Someone else might have considered it "spectacular, impressive, and fun to watch".

In any case your regulation does not in fact prohibit rude and disconcerting behavior. It prohibits reckless endangerment to life or property. Those are rather different things.

I think we can agree the racing fleet should be well behave and should of course avoid both (rude and reckless behavior). But I personally would not consider it per say either (rude or reckless) to sail thru that mooring field if it was done with skill and style - I suppose we can agree to disagree on that.
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

After all the excellent well considered comments here's my findings. The J Boat WAS the stand on vessel. The larger (dark green) sailboat under power should have given way sooner although you can see from the video there was an effort to turn away from the J Boat once it was seen. Regardless of it's stand-on status the skipper of the J Boat should have initiated a tack earlier in order to avoid a collision as it was clear the larger sailboat was not going to give way to the degree required to allow a safe crossing. Finally, while it may be a local practice, sailing aggressively across channels and through mooring fields while other larger vessels are attempting to transit the same area amounts to reckless behavior.
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

Sailing through a fairway is reckless? Perhaps all sailboats should be required to have and use an engine so they needn't sail through crowded waters.
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... Finally, while it may be a local practice, sailing aggressively across channels and through mooring fields while other larger vessels are attempting to transit the same area amounts to reckless behavior.
It does not seem to me that the jboat is sailing aggressively: The skipper does not even have a frontal sail up and the wind is weak. Certainly that does not indicate aggressive sailing but careful sailing, keeping the boat sailing slow and with maximum maneuverability. Besides that do you know if he could chose another route to sail where he wanted to go? A sailing boat sailing against the wind has to have a zigzag course, I mean a sailing boat.... sailing
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Re: COLREGS - Sailing in an anchorage or mooring field

It is a sad commentary on the knowledge and comprehension of the Colregs that there seems to be disagreement on stand-on/give way vessels in this situation.

It is clear-cut - there are no "vague" or "hazy" areas here. The Jboat was clearly the stand-on and the others the give way vessels.

Even arguing that the Jboat should have tacked earlier (to avoid the blue boat) is not necessarily true. The Jboat tacked when it became apparent that the blue boat was NOT going to give way as he is supposed to.

A true lack of understanding and comprehension of the Regs here, and unfortunately it is a lack that seems to be prevalent amongst many boaters.
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