Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-01-2018, 11:55   #1
Registered User
 
DumnMad's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nelson NZ; boat in Brisbane
Boat: 45ft Ketch
Posts: 1,298
Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

I often see rescue organisations claiming a rescue when all they are doing is giving someone a hand.
He asked for a tow and someone calls coastguard.
We had friends who took 4 months to do what they thought would be 3 months at sea and the officials got their knickers in a knot because they had forced our friends to give an expected arrival date. They were never in difficulty just averaging 3 knots instead of 4 knots.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-homemade-boat
__________________

__________________
DumnMad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 12:24   #2
Registered User
 
Polux's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Portugal/Med
Boat: Comet 41s
Posts: 6,048
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

the opposite is more times true: rescues that are hard to understand.

Look at this one, two delivery skippers sailing a boat to Madeira and call for a rescue at 80nm offshore the continental Portuguese coast.

They were well, the sea, contrary to what they said was better than what is was to be expected to this time of the year, the boat even had a wind vane....it seems that the only thing that was out of service was the engine.

It seems they were delivery skippers

__________________

Polux is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 13:27   #3
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 21,718
Images: 2
pirate Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

The problem is any and everyone with an RYA Offshore Yacht Master ticket thinks they can be a delivery skipper.. then they lose sight of land for the first time and the anus starts to pucker.. a small problem and the sphincter gives way..
I've seen big men crumble out there..
That was.. from what you posted.. an easily managed situation if all was sound on the boat.. and just no engine.. head NE under sail would have seen them on the Algarve coast the following morning.
Sea's are slight.. maybe 1 or 2metres at the most and looks like maybe F4 possibly F5.. hard to tell from the chopper..
Wannabe's like that give us a bad name..
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 13:51   #4
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bristol RI
Boat: Cape George 31
Posts: 732
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DumnMad View Post
I often see rescue organisations claiming a rescue when all they are doing is giving someone a hand.
He asked for a tow and someone calls coastguard.
We had friends who took 4 months to do what they thought would be 3 months at sea and the officials got their knickers in a knot because they had forced our friends to give an expected arrival date. They were never in difficulty just averaging 3 knots instead of 4 knots.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-homemade-boat
That's why I never tell people where I'm going or when I expect to arrive. As if sailing could have a rigid schedule! I trained my family early on, and my wife's family (though that was harder), to just be grateful when we did check in, but not to expect if for months on end.
Nothing more embarrassing than having a rescue launched because you decided to detour elsewhere for a couple days.
__________________
Ben
zartmancruising.com
Benz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 13:54   #5
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 21,718
Images: 2
pirate Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Honestly..???
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:00   #6
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 5,187
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DumnMad View Post
I often see rescue organisations claiming a rescue when all they are doing is giving someone a hand.
He asked for a tow and someone calls coastguard.
We had friends who took 4 months to do what they thought would be 3 months at sea and the officials got their knickers in a knot because they had forced our friends to give an expected arrival date. They were never in difficulty just averaging 3 knots instead of 4 knots.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-homemade-boat
I know 'fake news' is the popular saying of the times, but I don't understand what is fake about this. An offshore boat asks for a tow. It gets written up as a rescue. Doesn't seem that when you list the number of rescues a particular CG station does per year this one shouldn't be counted in the list.
__________________
Paul L
http://svjeorgia.blogspot.com
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:04   #7
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bristol RI
Boat: Cape George 31
Posts: 732
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Honestly..???
Sure. Do you file dumb "float plans"? Is anything more ridiculous?
__________________
Ben
zartmancruising.com
Benz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:10   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 785
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
I know 'fake news' is the popular saying of the times, but I don't understand what is fake about this. An offshore boat asks for a tow. It gets written up as a rescue. Doesn't seem that when you list the number of rescues a particular CG station does per year this one shouldn't be counted in the list.
And what pathetic bruised ego the recipient of the tow may feel, the rescue services, whether funded or volunteer - need to document their achievements to get more support and not get chalked down as being redundant.

If you needed help - you needed help.
__________________
We are sailors, constantly moving forward while looking back. We travel alone, together and as one - to satisfy our curiosity, and ward off our fear of what should happen if we don't.
SV DestinyAscen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:16   #9
Registered User
 
DumnMad's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nelson NZ; boat in Brisbane
Boat: 45ft Ketch
Posts: 1,298
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
I know 'fake news' is the popular saying of the times, but I don't understand what is fake about this. An offshore boat asks for a tow. It gets written up as a rescue. Doesn't seem that when you list the number of rescues a particular CG station does per year this one shouldn't be counted in the list.
Yes I suppose it will be counted on the list and used to promote the organisation. Thats where the deception lies. I've seen lists which include such 'helping hand' situations given same ranking of a dangerous lifesaving rescue.
It doen't seem right.
__________________
DumnMad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:22   #10
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 5,187
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DumnMad View Post
Yes I suppose it will be counted on the list and used to promote the organisation. Thats where the deception lies. I've seen lists which include such 'helping hand' situations given same ranking of a dangerous lifesaving rescue.
It doen't seem right.
Agreed, it can be pretty self serving. I just get my hackles up on the 'fake news' thing, as in my view it undermines free press which undermines democracy. The more the phrase is used the more 'normal' it becomes.
__________________
Paul L
http://svjeorgia.blogspot.com
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:28   #11
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,576
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benz View Post
Sure. Do you file dumb "float plans"? Is anything more ridiculous?
Agreed. You may have missed boatman's three or four

I prefer to write about what I have experienced, rather than what I plan to do. Until completed, it ain't finished. Or something like that.

I do this for all jaunts, small or large. Compared to most of you, mine are rather small, but the same applies.
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:28   #12
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 21,718
Images: 2
pirate Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

[QUOTE=Benz;2548755]Sure. Do you file dumb "float plans"? Is anything more ridiculous?[/]

Nope.!!! I just say "Follow the Spot"
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 14:55   #13
Registered User
 
boat_alexandra's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: washington
Boat: bristol 27
Posts: 3,130
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DumnMad View Post
I am jealous of this boat.
__________________
boat_alexandra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 15:40   #14
Senior Cruiser
 
IslandHopper's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,379
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by boat_alexandra View Post
I am jealous of this boat.
I think you and he may get on very well....

Monsoon Dervish sailing a Chinese junk
__________________
Adventure before Dementia.
Therapy is Expensive, Wind is Cheap.
https://sicyc.com.au/index.php?optio...=28&Itemid=101
John....
IslandHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 16:32   #15
Registered User
 
Polux's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Portugal/Med
Boat: Comet 41s
Posts: 6,048
Re: Coastguard - fake news "rescue"

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
The problem is any and everyone with an RYA Offshore Yacht Master ticket thinks they can be a delivery skipper.. then they lose sight of land for the first time and the anus starts to pucker.. a small problem and the sphincter gives way..
I've seen big men crumble out there..
That was.. from what you posted.. an easily managed situation if all was sound on the boat.. and just no engine.. head NE under sail would have seen them on the Algarve coast the following morning.
Sea's are slight.. maybe 1 or 2metres at the most and looks like maybe F4 possibly F5.. hard to tell from the chopper..
Wannabe's like that give us a bad name..
Yes there is a plague of bad delivery skippers. Here you have the opposed situation, guys that are taking risks with somebody's boat to earn some fast money and not lose time waiting for acceptable conditions to go out. Just some days ago in Italy:

https://www.facebook.com/maurizio.la...1089177609320/

This was the final result:

https://www.facebook.com/portoromano...0951762629125/
__________________

Polux is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
rescue

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Coastguard documentation trasnfer without waiting 6 months gathem General Sailing Forum 16 24-06-2015 15:17
Coastguard rescues 3 scuba0_1 Health, Safety & Related Gear 2 24-10-2014 08:48
USA Coastguard to stop monitoring 2182 and 2187.5 lenseman Marine Electronics 38 02-09-2013 15:22
Obtaining a US Coastguard Dissolution Document catspaws Rules of the Road, Regulations & Red Tape 4 14-02-2011 05:39



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:35.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.