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Old 21-05-2016, 00:49   #46
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Re: Cat Versus Mono - Single Handling

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What would you know? You own a cat.
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If you don't need to sleep and will be able to hang out in the cockpit to handle strong gusts and waves 24/7, a multi hull is a good single handed boat. The possibility of the boat turning turtle is enough reason for me that a multihull is not suitable as a single hander. The fact that they don't sink isn't enough to overcome the risk. Had an acquaintance whose trimaran flipped. He was never found and his crew drowned entangled in the rigging.
Yep you cant single hand a multi, particularly any performance one.

Oh Wait all the world record setting tris do that and at leats half of those guys are still alive, I must direct them to this thread. May I have a reference for the tri with the missing and drowned crew please.
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Old 21-05-2016, 03:59   #48
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What would you know? You own a cat.
Which means of course that I never put the sails up - so of course I never flip over.
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Old 21-05-2016, 06:10   #49
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If you don't need to sleep and will be able to hang out in the cockpit to handle strong gusts and waves 24/7, a multi hull is a good single handed boat. The possibility of the boat turning turtle is enough reason for me that a multihull is not suitable as a single hander. The fact that they don't sink isn't enough to overcome the risk. Had an acquaintance whose trimaran flipped. He was never found and his crew drowned entangled in the rigging.

I had an acquaintance who lost his life on a 90' monohull when it turned turtle and sank before he could get out of the cabin. Should I believe that no one on a monohull should ever go below decks while sailing?


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I've never been on a cruising cat that came anywhere near lifting a hull out of the water. And I doubt that many cruisers have. For that to happen, you need either incredibly bad luck or incredibly bad sailing skills.
Nope ! All you need is a freak wave or a big wave + a bad helmsman/autopilot... With time a monohull will turn back upside up -provided it hasn't been flooded*- but remember that multihulls are far more stable upside down than right side up Also, cats are getting uglier every year: They look less & less like multi-hull sailboats & more & more like over motorized pontoons: I live between St-Barth & St-Martin all year around & I see them ugly mothers every day but of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder By the way, if you buy a former charter multihull, include in your budget news engines cost!

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Nope ! All you need is a freak wave or a big wave + a bad helmsman/autopilot... With time a monohull will turn back upside up -provided it hasn't been flooded*- but remember that multihulls are far more stable upside down than right side up Also, cats are getting uglier every year: They look less & less like multi-hull sailboats & more & more like over motorized pontoons: I live between St-Barth & St-Martin all year around & I see them ugly mothers every day but of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder By the way, if you buy a former charter multihull, include in your budget news engines cost!



*That's why I close ALL openings on my sailboat the moment the weather deteriorates.

The FACT is your chances of a multihull flipping are about the same as the chances of your monohull sinking. Nice pictures, much easier to get a picture of a flipped multihull than a sunken monohull.


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I've got a picture of the monohull:

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The FACT is your chances of a multihull flipping are about the same as the chances of your monohull sinking. Nice pictures, much easier to get a picture of a flipped multihull than a sunken monohull.
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Re: Cat Versus Mono - Single Handling

I have to agree with a number of the even-handed, rational posts on this thread that have pointed out the obvious: you can't single hand a 'real' cruising cat because you can't sleep on one when underway, which leads to exhaustion and while almost none of them ever have their sails up, you will inevitably lift a hull, capsize and die.

I can see why people come on this site seeking advice. If only I had I had known these truths before I bought my cat. What I can't understand is why insurance companies will actually insure catamarans. let alone at the same rate as monohulls. I had always thought that they based their rates on an actuarial analysis - you know, using sttatistical risk of loss. Somehow they have missed all these facts!

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So has anyone made a steel hulled cat? Not a large commercial cat, but a regular criuising cat that can be sailed solo?
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I have seen a steel cat, it was more of a motorsailer. Short rig. Looked better than it sounds, but I dont think steel is the right material for cruising catamarans, due to its weight. I did skipper a 90 foot steel workboat catamaran for a while, worked ok, but it was slow.

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No wonder why single-hulled boats far outnumber multihulls.
It's because most monohull sailors took the advise of other sailors who told them to start small. After buying and selling up to a larger monohulls over years they either run out of money or their money making ability has deteriorated because of age.

Either way they are stuck with their monohulls.

A few couples remain happy couples while settling for the monohull life. But far too many end up divorced because the wife couldn't stand living stuck in monohull hell.

So basically most of those monohulls you see out there on the water are being sailed by sailors who when a 45 Lagoon goes sailing by, sigh and say to themselves, I wish.

Sorry my monohull friends.
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Re: Cat Versus Mono - Single Handling

Getting away from the stupid capsize rubbish, and back to reality, for a single hander the biggest danger would be falling overboard.


In this regard, a cat with it's greater stability and wide decks, is much safer.


So, faster, more comfortable, safer, and easy to sail.


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