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27-04-2014, 15:53
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#46
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Oregon
Boat: Seafarer36c
Posts: 5,563
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
In the defense of this model boat, an acquaintance let his helms person run straight into a rock at 8 knots. It sent several crew to the hospital. One guy lost a testicle. The boat was only scratched.
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27-04-2014, 16:13
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#47
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Texas
Boat: Newport 28 & Robalo 20
Posts: 386
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by boatman61
Of course not.. they're high quality items built with the latest technology and materials... not like those 60's, 70's and 80's pieces of crap littering the oceans of the world..
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Oh noes! I better not let my old girls hear of this (they're both built/rebuilt like the proverbial brick sheethouses).
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27-04-2014, 16:37
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#49
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Texas
Boat: Newport 28 & Robalo 20
Posts: 386
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
Cher TX J, non, c'est exact. C'est marron mais vrai, les Oceanis ne sont pas construit pour service océanique!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
Is this turning into a Beneteau, Catalina, Hunter thread ?
Oh, I forgot, its not the boat that fails, its the crew
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Mais no...dis hedn fo da Boudreaux 'n Thibodeaux tre'd territorie...
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27-04-2014, 16:44
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#50
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Boat: CT 54... for our sins!
Posts: 2,083
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by Tx J
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Well Bing doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.... must be your accent
But surely, no Texan would treat a horse like that
Vic
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27-04-2014, 16:48
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#51
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Boat: CT 54... for our sins!
Posts: 2,083
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by boatman61
You mean like my 1969 Corribee, my 1971 Hurley 22, my 1975 Virgo 23, my 1972 Westerly Longbow... oh.. my 1976 Carter 30.. etc
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Totally missed your bent humour Boatie... early in the am here and only 1 coffee under my belt so far...
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27-04-2014, 16:54
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#52
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Long Range Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,822
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
…or the season. Whatever the reason, hardly give me confidences in new production boats. Think I will have to go back to my more conservative listings and forget about them.
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It hardly matters as you will never be buying a boat.
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27-04-2014, 16:56
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#53
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: some ocean down under
Boat: Kelsall Suncat 40
Posts: 1,248
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
LOL!!
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27-04-2014, 16:57
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#54
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Texas
Boat: Newport 28 & Robalo 20
Posts: 386
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by boatman61
You mean like my 1969 Corribee, my 1971 Hurley 22, my 1975 Virgo 23, my 1972 Westerly Longbow... oh.. my 1976 Carter 30.. etc
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Heh, I'm not too familiar with those funny yurowpeen marks (although those Westerly's have a planiform like an avocado half, right?). But I dang near bit for a gorgeous Carter 33' a few years ago (built in a Greek yard, IIRC), it needed a fair amount of work though; hope it found a good home.
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27-04-2014, 17:05
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#55
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Portugal/Med
Boat: Comet 41s
Posts: 6,140
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
How many Beneteaus are out there 20 000? more? given the number it is surprisingly small the number of catastrophic failures or major problems. In such a big number of boats built there are always some lemons. How many have circumnavigated? Certainly many. They are not specifically built for bluewater sailing but obviously can do it.
These are the words of someone that was circumnavigating one:
As previously posted, we are 14,000 miles into a circumnavigation on
a Beneteau 45f5 and were part of the Expo '98 Round the World Rally
which out of 55 entries had more Beneteaus than any other make. We've
survived gales and had no significant problems. None of the other
Beneteaus had serious problems either, while the rest of the fleet had
two dismastings, three broken rudders, and lots of rigging problems.
The "heavy-built" full keel cruiser is an anachronism which appears
to be increasingly rare among the boats we've seen on our passages.
I would agree that our boat is of lighter construction than many of
the boats we've seen blue water cruising, but I would take it over
many of the "heavier built boats" we've seen, especially under those
conditions of lighter air when we are happily sailing along and they
are either wallowing in the swell or running their engine.
I'm not sure what would be "fast enough" in your opinion. Enroute to
Panama our fleet passed through a gale which none of the boats could
"run" or "hide" from, and three boats were hit by cyclone Keli in
Raratonga in a very late season storm. Being faster may help but
doesn't eliminate the need for basic seaworthiness.
For what its worth, I would certainly not take a Hunter offshore based
upon my past experience (I've owned two). My perception and
observations of Catalinas are that they are closer to Hunter than
Beneteau in design and construction, but without first hand experience
wouldn't presume to generalize about them. By the way, there were
no Hunters or Catalinas in the Round the World Rally, and I've never
met a blue water cruiser on one.
As previously posted, we are 14,000 miles into a circumnavigation on
a Beneteau 45f5 and were part of the Expo '98 Round the World Rally
which out of 55 entries had more Beneteaus than any other make. We've
survived gales and had no significant problems. None of the other
Beneteaus had serious problems either, while the rest of the fleet had
two dismastings, three broken rudders, and lots of rigging problems.
The "heavy-built" full keel cruiser is an anachronism which appears
to be increasingly rare among the boats we've seen on our passages.
I would agree that our boat is of lighter construction than many of
the boats we've seen blue water cruising, but I would take it over
many of the "heavier built boats" we've seen, especially under those
conditions of lighter air when we are happily sailing along and they
are either wallowing in the swell or running their engine.
I'm not sure what would be "fast enough" in your opinion. Enroute to
Panama our fleet passed through a gale which none of the boats could
"run" or "hide" from, and three boats were hit by cyclone Keli in
Raratonga in a very late season storm. Being faster may help but
doesn't eliminate the need for basic seaworthiness.
For what its worth, I would certainly not take a Hunter offshore based
upon my past experience (I've owned two). My perception and
observations of Catalinas are that they are closer to Hunter than
Beneteau in design and construction, but without first hand experience
wouldn't presume to generalize about them. By the way, there were
no Hunters or Catalinas in the Round the World Rally, and I've never
met a blue water cruiser on one.
Paul
s/v Encore
and some more that circumnavigated and were sailed extensively:
Beneteau Horizons MAY 2013
http://www.nealalexander.com/sitebui...iles/ben38.pdf
Our circumnavigation
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Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
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Reminds me of a Czech acquaintance I met in Daniel's Bay, Nuku Hiva last year. He had a Bendi Oceanis in the high forties or so, he had bought new. It was not 2 years old and pretty much falling to pieces. He had sailed it from the Eastern Med to, well, Nuku Hiva, and was bewailing a catalogue of issues. He said to me that when he had finally had enough of it he had given them one more angry call and said that he would never have bought the boat had he known then what he knows now. They asked him where he was sailing. On hearing his reply, they said: "Well it wasn't designed for that!". There you go. Horses mouth.
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It seems they are not all that bad
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27-04-2014, 17:10
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#56
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
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Originally Posted by VirtualVagabond
Ahemmm... 30+years here and still going strong, and the ol' Wind Wanderer will probably still be sailing long after I'm gone unless I do something incredibly stupid, or sell her to an inexperienced couple of dreamers who open the seacocks on her
In spite of groundings and poundings she is rock solid. Survived Hurricane Sandy and standing up quite well to partner Sandy
Africa has legends of remote graveyards where elephant go to die. You know that ocean of plastic everyone talks about floating in the pacific....?
Vic
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I think boatman was likely being sarcastic.
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27-04-2014, 17:14
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#57
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polux
It seems they are not all that bad
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If you read the rest of my original post, which you partially quoted, you will see that I don't think that all Bendis are bad. Some are really very good. But you have to be careful, as some are *genuinely* little better than bathtoys.
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27-04-2014, 17:41
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#58
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Boat: CT 54... for our sins!
Posts: 2,083
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
I think boatman was likely being sarcastic.
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I think you think right... I'm a bit slow this morning
Vic
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27-04-2014, 17:46
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#59
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,585
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
Quote:
Originally Posted by VirtualVagabond
I think you think right... I'm a bit slow this morning
Vic
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Blame it on the 'Bundi' Vic...
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It was a dark and stormy night and the captain of the ship said.. "Hey Jim, spin us a yarn." and the yarn began like this.. "It was a dark and stormy night.."
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27-04-2014, 17:50
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#60
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
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Re: Blue Pearl Sinks
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ
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Rest assured Mark, I am very close to my way. Just not yours for sure!
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