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Old 27-04-2014, 16:53   #46
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In the defense of this model boat, an acquaintance let his helms person run straight into a rock at 8 knots. It sent several crew to the hospital. One guy lost a testicle. The boat was only scratched.
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Of course not.. they're high quality items built with the latest technology and materials... not like those 60's, 70's and 80's pieces of crap littering the oceans of the world..
Oh noes! I better not let my old girls hear of this (they're both built/rebuilt like the proverbial brick sheethouses).
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Oh noes! I better not let my old girls hear of this (they're both built/rebuilt like the proverbial brick sheethouses).
You mean like my 1969 Corribee, my 1971 Hurley 22, my 1975 Virgo 23, my 1972 Westerly Longbow... oh.. my 1976 Carter 30.. etc
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Old 27-04-2014, 17:37   #49
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Cher TX J, non, c'est exact. C'est marron mais vrai, les Oceanis ne sont pas construit pour service océanique!
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Is this turning into a Beneteau, Catalina, Hunter thread ?

Oh, I forgot, its not the boat that fails, its the crew
Mais no...dis hedn fo da Boudreaux 'n Thibodeaux tre'd territorie...
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Mais no...dis hedn fo da Boudreaux 'n Thibodeaux tre'd territorie...
Well Bing doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.... must be your accent
But surely, no Texan would treat a horse like that

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You mean like my 1969 Corribee, my 1971 Hurley 22, my 1975 Virgo 23, my 1972 Westerly Longbow... oh.. my 1976 Carter 30.. etc
Totally missed your bent humour Boatie... early in the am here and only 1 coffee under my belt so far...
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…or the season. Whatever the reason, hardly give me confidences in new production boats. Think I will have to go back to my more conservative listings and forget about them.
It hardly matters as you will never be buying a boat.
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You mean like my 1969 Corribee, my 1971 Hurley 22, my 1975 Virgo 23, my 1972 Westerly Longbow... oh.. my 1976 Carter 30.. etc
Heh, I'm not too familiar with those funny yurowpeen marks (although those Westerly's have a planiform like an avocado half, right?). But I dang near bit for a gorgeous Carter 33' a few years ago (built in a Greek yard, IIRC), it needed a fair amount of work though; hope it found a good home.
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How many Beneteaus are out there 20 000? more? given the number it is surprisingly small the number of catastrophic failures or major problems. In such a big number of boats built there are always some lemons. How many have circumnavigated? Certainly many. They are not specifically built for bluewater sailing but obviously can do it.

These are the words of someone that was circumnavigating one:

As previously posted, we are 14,000 miles into a circumnavigation on
a Beneteau 45f5 and were part of the Expo '98 Round the World Rally
which out of 55 entries had more Beneteaus than any other make. We've
survived gales and had no significant problems. None of the other
Beneteaus had serious problems either, while the rest of the fleet had
two dismastings, three broken rudders, and lots of rigging problems.

The "heavy-built" full keel cruiser is an anachronism which appears
to be increasingly rare among the boats we've seen on our passages.

I would agree that our boat is of lighter construction than many of
the boats we've seen blue water cruising, but I would take it over
many of the "heavier built boats" we've seen, especially under those
conditions of lighter air when we are happily sailing along and they
are either wallowing in the swell or running their engine.

I'm not sure what would be "fast enough" in your opinion. Enroute to
Panama our fleet passed through a gale which none of the boats could
"run" or "hide" from, and three boats were hit by cyclone Keli in
Raratonga in a very late season storm. Being faster may help but
doesn't eliminate the need for basic seaworthiness.

For what its worth, I would certainly not take a Hunter offshore based
upon my past experience (I've owned two). My perception and
observations of Catalinas are that they are closer to Hunter than
Beneteau in design and construction, but without first hand experience
wouldn't presume to generalize about them. By the way, there were
no Hunters or Catalinas in the Round the World Rally, and I've never
met a blue water cruiser on one.

As previously posted, we are 14,000 miles into a circumnavigation on
a Beneteau 45f5 and were part of the Expo '98 Round the World Rally
which out of 55 entries had more Beneteaus than any other make. We've
survived gales and had no significant problems. None of the other
Beneteaus had serious problems either, while the rest of the fleet had
two dismastings, three broken rudders, and lots of rigging problems.

The "heavy-built" full keel cruiser is an anachronism which appears
to be increasingly rare among the boats we've seen on our passages.

I would agree that our boat is of lighter construction than many of
the boats we've seen blue water cruising, but I would take it over
many of the "heavier built boats" we've seen, especially under those
conditions of lighter air when we are happily sailing along and they
are either wallowing in the swell or running their engine.

I'm not sure what would be "fast enough" in your opinion. Enroute to
Panama our fleet passed through a gale which none of the boats could
"run" or "hide" from, and three boats were hit by cyclone Keli in
Raratonga in a very late season storm. Being faster may help but
doesn't eliminate the need for basic seaworthiness.

For what its worth, I would certainly not take a Hunter offshore based
upon my past experience (I've owned two). My perception and
observations of Catalinas are that they are closer to Hunter than
Beneteau in design and construction, but without first hand experience
wouldn't presume to generalize about them. By the way, there were
no Hunters or Catalinas in the Round the World Rally, and I've never
met a blue water cruiser on one.

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and some more that circumnavigated and were sailed extensively:

Beneteau Horizons MAY 2013

http://www.nealalexander.com/sitebui...iles/ben38.pdf

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Reminds me of a Czech acquaintance I met in Daniel's Bay, Nuku Hiva last year. He had a Bendi Oceanis in the high forties or so, he had bought new. It was not 2 years old and pretty much falling to pieces. He had sailed it from the Eastern Med to, well, Nuku Hiva, and was bewailing a catalogue of issues. He said to me that when he had finally had enough of it he had given them one more angry call and said that he would never have bought the boat had he known then what he knows now. They asked him where he was sailing. On hearing his reply, they said: "Well it wasn't designed for that!". There you go. Horses mouth.
It seems they are not all that bad
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Ahemmm... 30+years here and still going strong, and the ol' Wind Wanderer will probably still be sailing long after I'm gone unless I do something incredibly stupid, or sell her to an inexperienced couple of dreamers who open the seacocks on her
In spite of groundings and poundings she is rock solid. Survived Hurricane Sandy and standing up quite well to partner Sandy

Africa has legends of remote graveyards where elephant go to die. You know that ocean of plastic everyone talks about floating in the pacific....?

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I think boatman was likely being sarcastic.
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It seems they are not all that bad
If you read the rest of my original post, which you partially quoted, you will see that I don't think that all Bendis are bad. Some are really very good. But you have to be careful, as some are *genuinely* little better than bathtoys.
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I think boatman was likely being sarcastic.
I think you think right... I'm a bit slow this morning

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I think you think right... I'm a bit slow this morning

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It hardly matters as you will never be buying a boat.
Rest assured Mark, I am very close to my way. Just not yours for sure!
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