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Old 31-07-2013, 11:01   #16
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There is a bit of a safety reason with sitting on the starboard side while steering. When steering from the starboard side, a hard turn to starboard requires the steerer to lean into the boat, thus shifting their weight toward the "high" side of the boat. And a hard turn to port requires the steerer to lean away from the boat, again shifting their weight toward the "high" side of the boat.

Steered from the port side, the operator is always shifting their weight in the more dangerous direction.

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If we are talking small outboard powered boats, if the helmsman changes side, so does the "high" side of the boat.
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Old 31-07-2013, 11:13   #17
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I figure it's just more government stupidity, like standardizing bicycle front brakes on the left, the opposite of motorcycles, and worse, making motorcycles shift on the left, contrary to all that is right and proper.
Stop riding all those old Beezer's and Triumphs and Norton's. All real bikes shift on the left.
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Old 31-07-2013, 12:38   #18
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If we are talking small outboard powered boats, if the helmsman changes side, so does the "high" side of the boat.
Yes, but having the tiller close to the helmsman doesn't require the shifting of their weight or positioning of the body inside the boat. For one direction of turn, it actually moves the body position outside the boat.

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Old 31-07-2013, 13:31   #19
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Stop riding all those old Beezer's and Triumphs and Norton's. All real bikes shift on the left.
Is it okay if I ride my '72 XLCH?

Back to our subject, twisting the throttle with my left hand just seems wrong. And it's not convenient for pull-starting either. Only the government can mess things up this badly.
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Only the government can mess things up this badly.
Why do you keep saying that? I think the govt f's up everything it touches but does it dictate how bikes throttle, brake and shift - or is that just tradition?
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Why do you keep saying that? I think the govt f's up everything it touches but does it dictate how bikes throttle, brake and shift - or is that just tradition?
Motorcycle tradition was throttle on the right, front brake on the right, with shift mostly on the right, but not always. That's because most all oval tracks turn left. You need to shift, but you don't need a rear brake when racing.

Then along came Joan Claybrook with her uninvited federal regulation to save us from our personal choices, putting the shift on the left, as the popular Japanese bikes had at the time, and bicycle rear brakes on the right handlebar and front brakes on the left, to cross-up and confuse us when we go mountain biking.

It's easy enough to swap brakes on a bicycle, and I have my bike set up with the front brake on the right. But sometimes I'll forget to tell a friend when I loan out my bike, and ...
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I don't believe the tiller position has anything to With regs.

I always sit on the side of the tiller. In any sort of rib sitting on the other side would make it impossible to turn , requiring me to get up off the rib to do so

Hence I sit on the port side and as I'm right handed like the majority the tiller is correctly positioned , this I beleive is the reason for its placement




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Guys, you are over thinking this a mile.

Show me a left hand drive bass boat. Show me a left hand drive crab boat.

Boats are right hand drive. Get over it.
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I don't believe the tiller position has anything to With regs.

I always sit on the side of the tiller. In any sort of rib sitting on the other side would make it impossible to turn , requiring me to get up off the rib to do so

Hence I sit on the port side and as I'm right handed like the majority the tiller is correctly positioned , this I beleive is the reason for its placement




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Sorry, but "impossible to turn" when sitting on the starboard side? Either you have an amazingly wide RIB or very short arms.

On our old 3.5m rib, if I sat on the same side the tiller is mounted - port - I wouldn't be able to turn to starboard, because the tiller would be jammed into my legs. So I had to sit to starboard, which as I said, meant having my back to any "stand on" vessels.

My new RIB actually has a "driver's seat", but using the tiller left-handed still lets me sit closer to centre and makes steering easier.

I think as some have said, the tiller position may be a carry over from bigger outboards, where operators do sit facing forwards and on the right - which puts them in a potentially better position to see stand on vessels.
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So I had to sit to starboard, which as I said, meant having my back to any "stand on" vessels.
In our dinghy, I consider every vessel on the water a "stand on" vessel.

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Even other dinghies?
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Especially other dinghies - I particularly have no trust in them paying attention because there is a good chance they are drunk, carrying loads blocking their view, arguing with their spouse/kids, looking at the boats in the harbor, looking at the girls on the beach, etc.

At 15kts on an immanently controllable platform, it is easy for me to give way to everything. And the whole right of way thing on a dinghy tees me off - I have had yahoos in dinghies screaming right of way to me while I am anchoring the big boat and coming through reef cuts.

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Yes, but having the tiller close to the helmsman doesn't require the shifting of their weight or positioning of the body inside the boat. For one direction of turn, it actually moves the body position outside the boat.

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But that is "because" the tiller is on the port side. It's not "why" the tiller is on the port side.

If you put the tiller on the starboard side and sat on the port side, your "safety" concern goes away. The question was WHY is it that the helmsman sits to starboard.

And the answer is older narrow power boats compensating for prop torque due to the typical rotational direction of motors.

Of course, you could ask the follow up of why motors typically turn in a paticular direction?
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I was only addressing where the helmsman sits in relation to the tiller - not the tiller position itself. Previous posts described sitting on the port side with a port tiller, and I gave rationale for sitting on the starboard side.

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Especially other dinghies - I particularly have no trust in them paying attention because there is a good chance they are drunk, carrying loads blocking their view, arguing with their spouse/kids, looking at the boats in the harbor, looking at the girls on the beach, etc.

At 15kts on an immanently controllable platform, it is easy for me to give way to everything. And the whole right of way thing on a dinghy tees me off - I have had yahoos in dinghies screaming right of way to me while I am anchoring the big boat and coming through reef cuts.

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My real question was about why the "expected" seating arrangement makes it harder to see the boats you actually HAVE to give way to.
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