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Old 02-05-2016, 12:52   #16
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

sheet the main all the way in while broadside to the wind and I'll be just like my username.
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:57   #17
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sheet the main all the way in while broadside to the wind and I'll be just like my username.
Do it slowly then, or rapidly if you hike out simultaneously

Sounds like you just need more time sailing the boat and learning about balance etc.....

Example: In racing you come into the bottom mark (downwind mark) at high speed, after rounding, both sails (on a sloop rigged boat) are sheeted in very quickly for the upwind leg .........on a beachcat or small monohull, you are hiking out (or trapping out) at the same time

it's not a big deal if you know how to go about it.....

So, in summary, your problem is that you are not sheeting in the main tight enough
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

not tight enough when its over the rudder in a tack?
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

I might suggest getting an instructor on board with you for a day.
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Old 02-05-2016, 16:35   #20
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not tight enough when its over the rudder in a tack?
We were talking about you being broadside to the wind after heading up from downwind and that was as high as you could get

Just play with it a bit on a nice day with like 10 knot winds or so.

Slowly bring in the main and your boat will turn to windward.

Racing helps as a beginner also especially if you are the skipper. You get to see how every one else does it especially the leaders after you get close enough to see them

We all had to learn at some point.

Check out how this guy does it. He is also doing a good job with weight distribution sitting forward or back depending

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Old 02-05-2016, 20:37   #21
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

Measured the battery and the opening + space for the under fore deck storage and its going to be a squeeze through the opening but will fit well forward.
A bit rainy to do that right now.

Then make a new tiller arm and extension to move me forward.
Main thing I get from the video is I'm dragging the tail of my boat down by being too far back.
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

I was trying to say earlier that fore aft trim is a 3rd order effect. Mast rake, sail trim, and windward/leeward heel are much more powerful effects on helm and should be addressed first.
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

The major heeling tends to come after the boat starts to turn its side to the wind.
Let out the main sheet fast or flip over.
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We were talking about you being broadside to the wind after heading up from downwind and that was as high as you could get

Someone got confused about what I was saying....

Tacking into the wind, I have to hold rudder into the wind or the boat will rapidly turn broadside to the wind.

Running with the wind the boat wants to turn away from the side the boom is on.

Leave the boat to steer itself (loosening the main and jib sheets from the tack to prevent flipping) from either, the boat ends up broadside to the wind if I'm not carefully managing the rudder.

I can hold a tack appx 35-40 deg from direct into the wind... with the rudder over maybe 15 deg from centered. Mast near vertical.

Slack the mainsheet and jib sheet, let go of the rudder... and this this thing ends up broadside to the wind.
From either a tack or a run.

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I'll take a sunfish out and for fun lean it over so far I'm standing on the daggerboard, then bring it back upright without any problems at all.

Let go of the tiller and slack the mainsheet and it ends up with the bow pointed at the wind.

That's what I'm looking for.
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Slack the mainsheet and jib sheet, let go of the rudder... and this this thing ends up broadside to the wind.
From either a tack or a run.
Sounds about right.

Now if you sheet in the main, the boat will head up. (into the wind)

Or

Sheet in the jib and the boat will go more off the wind

Combine the two and you can go where you want.

That's pretty much it.

You can then fine tune with rudder, weight distribution, mast rake, prebend, shroud tension, sail size and make, downhaul, outhaul, etc

You can even fine tune the feel of the rudder if your boat allows for rudder rake adjustment
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

Found some stuff.

Boat has also been known as Holder 14, Hobie Holder, Hobie one-14, searches show others asking similar questions.

Answers included battens left out, rudder kicked up, centre-board stuck partly up.

http://www.getwetsailing.com/holderperformance/ has a section on Hobie Holder Performance, maybe something there.

http://www.kitepower.com/holder14/pd...er14Manual.pdf

http://www.hobiecat.com/xe/en/support/holder-14/ Cat : Kayaks, Sailboats, and Catamarans[/url] maybe try forums & holder 14 support. There's a manual & rigging/sailing guide looks like.

Hope it helps.
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Re: Adjusting weather helm

Finally got it back on the lake (weather and other stuff got in the way)

Battery moved to as far forward in the under fore-deck storage as possible
Loosened the fore-stay 3 "notches" on the adjuster and pulled the raked back side-stays snug. Sat a foot further forward....

And the thing now does what I wanted.

Just moving the battery wasn't enough.

Moving me after the battery was better.

(now the boat rides with the auto-bailer hole for the cockpit above the water.

The mast adjust made the most difference. That might have done it without moving the weight as much.
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Good for you! Congrats for solving your balance issue.


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Finally got it back on the lake (weather and other stuff got in the way)

Battery moved to as far forward in the under fore-deck storage as possible
Loosened the fore-stay 3 "notches" on the adjuster and pulled the raked back side-stays snug. Sat a foot further forward....

And the thing now does what I wanted.

Just moving the battery wasn't enough.

Moving me after the battery was better.

(now the boat rides with the auto-bailer hole for the cockpit above the water.

The mast adjust made the most difference. That might have done it without moving the weight as much.
Nice, but don't forget the sheeting of the jib and main

It's not like you have cruise control.

We had winds today bouncing around from 5 knots to 22 knots which was a great workout for an old guy sailing single handed with all sail up on a narrow boat

You may find that you get a bit more weather helm at 20 knots than at 5 knots

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A couple adjustments on the forestay isn't a total fix.
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